Posted on 05/01/2019 9:40:25 PM PDT by OddLane
Dear Brother (or Sister)
Christ Jesus
is the final authority.
You may look for Him
still present in the
Eucharist to this day
in the
One
True
Holy
Catholic and
Apostolic
Church
founded by Him(Christ Jesus)
that built Christendom (Western Civilization)
but it is up to YOU to find Him there
patiently waiting for you.
Please, just because it is a
“hard teaching”
do not reject Him,
take Him at his word,
as for me
there is nowhere else
for me to go.
7
Did not take long to confirm what you posted in #60 ...
Your rude failure
to ping me to your callous
and discourteous
remarks about me
are noted.
7
Amazing! You can get the jist of my post regarding your blindness, but cannot put two and two together FROM SCRIPTURES regarding the command from GOD to not eat the blood, which was repeated by the first Church Councill of the Apostles as given in Acts 15, especially verse 24 and following! Just amazing!
What is truly amazing
is your ability
to maintain such an
elaborate delusion that
you have imagined from
only two words in scripture
despite so much evidence
to the contrary.
7
First, Jesus is a choice we have to make for ourselves by ourselves, but we are born sinners to a sinful world and the default choice is Satan.
Jesus is therefore a difficult choice to make and His Path is a difficult path for we, the sinners, to follow and to stay on.
And Satan doesn’t make it easy. He is constantly fighting with each of us to maintain his kingdom in us as both our current home and future destiny, and to keep each of us under his power and control.
Lastly, at least for me, it is often those who call themselves Christians who make it so difficult to accept and to embrace Jesus.
I frequently don’t like them for their rude, snarky behavior that seems to be prideful spirit on calumnious display, instead of their being lead by the Holy Spirit as a reflection of Christ.
I don’t want that example for myself and avoid it in my life. Instead, John 13:35 tells me:
By this shall all men know that you are my disciples, if you have love one to another.In their evangelical “discussions”, I think recognize them and what seems to posses them as something else entirely.
”None for me, thanks. Tryin’ to quit.”
How many times in the Old Testament and then in the New Testament does God tell us to not eat the blood?
Do you think The APOSTLES in the First Church Council were eating blood, or telling New Christians to not eat the blood then turning and serving a ‘transubstantiated blood of Jesus’ to them in the remembrance ceremony?... I realize it is impossible for you to reason this out, and that’s why I keep repeating the lesson. Some readers will figure it out even as you vigorously refuse to ‘see’.
You are not my teacher, I am surely not your student and
we are not going to come to an agreement on this point.
We just both see things differently.
I understand that you cannot accept the
Catholic belief in the Real Presence of
our Lord Christ Jesus in the Holy Eucharist.
I am glad you are concerned for my soul as
I hope that you understand my concern for yours.
I would much rather that we find common ground on
some other tenet of faith which
I am sure there are many we can
civilly discuss without just
tediously using different words to say the same thing
over and over again ad nauseam.
I am only asking that you would
give my faith the same respect that you would grant
any other Catholic person you might happen to come across
in public. I don’t mind if you want to use FR to spread your religious propaganda,
just please discontinue referring to me in your posts.
7
Jesus can be in their / our midst in Spirit, always! He can even be in our midst physically (see Daniel 5 and many Christophanies in the Old Testament), but He is physically in the throne room of The Father Almighty as our High Priest.
Your carnal minded notion that He is here to serve His actual flesh and blood (violating His own commandments against cannibalism and eating the blood) to be transported into your alimentary tract to get God inside of you is a pagan leftover from ancient Rome.
satan has you mocking the power of God's Grace in Christ by having you violate what God in many places in the Old Testament and in the New Testament (read Acts 15:28) forbade the eating of the flesh of humans and eating the blood.
When a human is born again, born from above, The Holy Spirit is put into their human spirit to seal them unto the day of snatching away. That is not me speculating, it is from the Bible, God's Word, as God's promise which glorifies Jesus because ONLY through Him can we have God-life in us.
BTW, we do have common ground: we both believe Jesus came int he flesh and died for our atonement and God raised Him from the dead and He is alive forever more. THAT MAKES US family by God's Spirit. So as your brother I admonish you to grieve not the Holy Spirit whereby YIOU are sealed unto the day of snatching away / redemption.
If I am wrong regarding 'the Eucharist' of Catholicism, I will suffer shame, but I am not losing my salvation due to it. And if you are wrong regarding the eating of blood, you are going to suffer shame, but that will not negate your salvation for the Promises of God are not revoked, you believe and you are sealed to the day of redemption.
Any divine command that comes later modifies a command that came earlier.
Jesus declared all foods clean. (MK 7:15)
Old testament dietary regulations ended with the new covenant.
Acts 15:20 was pastoral provision suggested by James to keep Jews from being scandalized by the conduct of Gentiles.
Jesus Body and Blood (Resurrected body) is living and spiritual. Only the spirit can accomplish the miracle of the Eucharist and allow us to believe in this miracle.
Consider why Catholics have continued to follow the command of Jesus to eat and drink His Body and Blood continuously, while other Christians do not believe and not do have the Eucharist?
Priest, think about your duplicitous reasoning: the first real Church council admonished new believers to refrain from blood eating, but you would have us believe they were then turning right around and serving up flesh and blood of the Messiah to these same believers. Such double mindedness is a hallmark of catholiciism. But I warn you, The God is not double minded for HE knows the end from the beginning; did you miss that it seemed good to the Holy Spirit to direct these new believers to not eat blood?
What is behind it is the misconception that one needs to become a better person in order to pass the entrance examination for a heavenly residence for one's soul and spirit once they are separated from the physical body when it ceases to function; AND that the "betterness" can only be maintained by not only confessing ones misdeeds, BUT ALSO by physically consuming a putative "real" flesh and "real" blood that the wafer and wine are changed into (despite no change in any physical quality) by an authorized agent of the belief system.
The bottom line is that the religious system teaches that one must become and remain a better person until one passes a final examination, whereby a passage to Paradise is granted on the basis of having merited it by a sufficient cumulative "goodness" having outweighed one's shortcomings.
This plan of finding favor with The God is absolutely contrary to the perspective one obtains from the Scripture whereby one compares his/her own behavior relative to the declared standard of Goodness (which is declared in the Law and fully substantiated by the human Jesus of Nazareth), admits his/her total depravity and already-established failure to conform to that non-negotiable standard, and cries out to the Supreme Deity for His mercy, undeserved by the condemned perpetrator, but freely granted through the pleader's unreserved confidence in the Gospel Promise of everlasting, never-ceasing life purchased for anyone who trusts in the once-for all-time death of the body of the God-man Jesus in his/her place, and the Shed Blood of Jesus as the full once-paid price for the blotting out of The God's record of any and all of the petitioner's misdoings, then and forever; upon which the The Judge of All returns a clean bill of accusation declaring "NOT GUILTY" for all in heaven and earth to see, and the petitioner is set free from bondage to Sin as a mater and sinning as an occupation, together with the freely given admission to God's Dimension immediately exercised at the moment of transition from the temporal to the eternal, and in the fulness of God's Plan, a perfect, humanoid vessel like that of the Resurrected, Glorious Christ for occupation by the servant of the rescued person, God's child and Jesus' servant .
In simpler words, the false belief system teaches that continual temporal good conduct of its constituent, outweighing the bad, will result in a happy eternal destination if maintained to the last minute of life; but that goodness is improved and continually brought up to date by consuming what the organization purports to be the actual flesh and blood of its Founder.
Completely opposite to that is the true belief that the human who is made aware of the Good News that, though he/she is already condemned with a pending sentence of permanent existence in Hell with no access to God after death, he/she can by complete irrevocable trust in Jesus as Savior and Lord be by that trust instantly transformed into a newly created personality, guiltless before God, with a secure heavenly residence, able to overcome sinfulness so as to become a better person by the counsel and assistance of God's attending Spirit.
Though this new creature-person may not fully be aware of its details at the moment of transformation, the true Biblical Plan for new life under Christ Jesus' dominion is that the human who through proclamation of the Gospel Promise, recognizes and agrees with his/her already condemned state of incompetence and depravity, confesses it and casts him/herself on God's mercy is, by the Promise of reward for irreversible change of Master, instantly granted a pardon of forgiveness and blotting out of sins, a new personality that exists in the spirit realm, continually accompanied by God's Holy Spirit, receives a non-cancellable passage to the Eternal realm, and is given the power to overcome the old habits the old man had been accustomed to, and with it the power and the desire to actually and progressively become a better person with godly habits, activities, and reputation with God and mankind.
His/her induction into the Company of Disciples by the visible external rite of Water Immersion, and participation in the Communal Ordinance of Remembrance by consuming symbolic tokens of Jesus Death and Resurrection that show show His Passion to the watching world, these are visible demonstrations of the meaning of the Gospel, but have no validity in earning or implementing God's unmerited gracious gift of Everlasting Life and Fellowship with Him. These activities only visibly demonstrate one's commitment to furthering God's Plan out of grateful enduring thanks for having received His favor in spite of one's actual worthlessness at the time he/she cried for His mercy.
Wow, brother, that reads like the Cliff Notes of the Letter to the Hebrews! Only thing missing was the list of old Testament dignitaries found righteous because of faithing in God’s Promises.
They reject Him because they have not been made, by God's appointed newscasters, to understand that The Supreme God exists, they are eternally accountable to Him, and they are already in His eyes a criminal and an enemy, owned by and serving Satan, that death of their body will only amplify and seal the excruciating never-ending torment of their oppositionally defiant soul, and that they are absolutely without hope except in and by Jesus, the Savior and Lord of all.
That is why.
Nothing more.
Nothing less.
Nothing else.
I wonder how many will be left behind soon due to their believing they aren’t so bad, that God is merciful and their minor sins won’t matter to God, and they can plead ignorance because they didn’t get a proof that Jesus is the only Way to the Father Almighty???
It was real hard for God to break through to me.
Sustaining heresies via a well entrenched priesthood is the Nicolaitan way dontchaknow.
Well, I think that they also reject the Jesus of the Bible, by subvertingf the Holy Word:
2 Corinthians 11:2-4 (AV):
2 For I am jealous over you with godly jealousy: for I have espoused you to one husband, that I may presentAnd even if this other Jesus is of the same kind, still, it is another one, not the Jesus of the Bible, of whom a spirit and a (false) gospel are different than the ones of the Bible.you asa chaste virgin to Christ.
2 But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.
2 For if he that cometh preacheth anotherallos=of the same kind Jesus, whom we have not preached, or if ye receive anotherheteros=of a different kind spirit, which ye have not received, or anotherheteros=of a different kind gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear withhim.
The Jesus of the Bible gave this command to his students for the limits which they were to hold and pass on to following generations of evangelizers:
Matthew 28:20 (AV):
Teaching them to observetereoh=keep watchfully secure all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway,The sense of this verb "tereoh," to keep watchfully secure, means to record and continuously preserveall of Jesus' commandments to them (of which there are explicitly fifty of them in the New Testament) as given, with the stipulation that the commands were not to be altered in any fashion, not added to, not subtracted from, and not to be embroidered by reinterpretation to mean something other than they did in the context in which they were pronounced.evenunto the end of the world.
When a gathering of disciples goes outside these bounds that limit the scope of presenting the Gospel of the Bible Jesus, that sect and its teacher(s) stand in the danger of hell-fire, I believe. Thus variations such as: paeudobaptism, transmutation of the bread and grape-juice, supererogatory works (adding the good deeds of the disciple to Jesus' works for extra credit), dividing the assembly into two or more classes (such as priestly clergy vs non-clergy "lay" members), esyablishing an episcopacy ofgreater and greater authority the higher the level of promotion, a second chance for salvation after death (purgatory, reincarnation), special regalia for church leaders alone, veneration of other dead humans, praying to them for their special intercessory intervention on behalf of the petitioner with the Father and/or His Son, holiness conferred by living a monastic celibate life, a "second touch" of holiness by which the Holy Spirit is imparted to the congregant--all these add-on elements are missing in the conduct and the advice of Jesus and His disciples for guiding succeeding generations and their spiritual maturity, these and other such elaborations are scripturally unwarranted and unwanted, neither required or desired in God's Plan for salvation and growth of His children.
Now, MHGinTN, as you know I'm quite sure that you're well aware of everything I've written here. So I'm not writing to give you anything new--it's just to reiterate what we've already discussed many times, for the sake of others who are reading our conversation, as well s to give them the opportunity to object as they see fit.
And in fact, it is most probably this OTHER "Jesus(es)", with all his(their) uncounted invented accoutrements and rituals that the uninitiated, unsaved, lost fellow sinners are rejecting, rather than the simple, but glorious and loving, plain-spoken Savior of the common man, to Whom they have never been introduced in all their religious adventures, eh?
The unvarnished truth is that God is big enough (He is the creator don'tcha know) that He needs no assistance sealing a believer unto the day of snarching away (harpazo). Adding anything to faithing (pisteuo) in God's Promise (which glorifies Jesus not the saved one) is to commit an addition unwarranted by the plain scriptural teaching.
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