Posted on 05/01/2019 9:40:25 PM PDT by OddLane
Project much?
“gift He left us that we can receive Him = Body and Blood in the Sacrament of Eucharist”
I’ll correct your poorly worded statement and make it biblical for the proper edification of the Church of Jesus Christ.
The gift/Communion that Jesus Christ left us so we could remember/memorialize His death and the New Covenant He gave us in His very own blood.
You can’t receive Jesus Christ by the works of the flesh only by the works of the Spirit.
Holy Scriptures for future study on the subject
John 6:63
“It is the Spirit who gives life; the flesh profits nothing; the words that I have spoken to you are spirit and are life.
2 Corinthians 3:6
who also made us adequate as servants of a new covenant, not of the letter but of the Spirit; for the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life.
Romans 8:10 & 13
You can ONLY receive Jesus Christ by being born again not by anything you put in your mouth.
John 3:6-7
6“That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. 7“Do not be amazed that I said to you, ‘You must be born again.’
Romans 10:9
9 that if you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved;
Acts 16:31
John 16:8
“And He, when He comes, will convict the world concerning sin and righteousness and judgment;
That sin starts with pride and then manifests itself into all kind of sinful behavior.
Isiah 14:14
‘I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will make myself like the Most High.’
Satan started with all the “I’s” and he is still peddling that same lie to his slaves.
sadly, still to this day
accept the very words of
our dear
Lord and Savior Christ Jesus.
Then Jesus said to them:Amen, amen I say unto you:
Except you
eat the flesh of the Son of man,
and drink his blood,
you shall not have life in you.
7
Even before the Scripture was written, the tradition of Jesus and the Apostles and their successors was practiced in the Catholic faith as the Sacraments established by Jesus Christ including the Eucharist - the Real Presence of Jesus - Body and blood that a priest consecrates at Mass that literally becomes the Body and Blood of Jesus and we are able to physically receive Jesus at Mass.
You may read John 6: 22-64 The Bread of Life Discourse.
You may read that human flesh profits nothing, but the Flesh of Jesus does profit Catholics who believe and receive the Eucharist as Jesus told us “Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood remains in me” 56
You may want to follow man’s interpretation of the Bible,(as Catholics follow the words of Jesus Christ), but is your version the Truth?
The words of Jesus: “Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise him on the last day.” 54
Thus saith a Catholic Priest ... who is personally empowered by the dependant masses. Of course this dogma contradicts what GOD told men starting in Genesis and going through the books of Moses, that the life is in the blood SO IT IS UNLAWFUL TO EAT THE BLOOD. The god of the Catholic Priest contradicts himself ...
Your tradition goes against the Holy Word of God just as the pharisees did in the time of Jesus, some things never change. You tradition has been changed so many times before your talking points that you don’t even know what is up or down.
“Even before the Scripture was written,”
The Holy Scripture was wrote and enthroned in the true Temple of God before creation was ever started, John 1:1 no beginning or no end.
“Body and Blood of Jesus and we are able to physically receive Jesus at Mass.”
Then you are guilty of unrepentant sin from both the OT and the NT, so again your tradition is forbidden before our Holy LORD. Deuteronomy 12:23 and Acts 15:20 there are many others.
“You may want to follow man’s interpretation of the Bible,(as Catholics follow the words of Jesus Christ), but is your version the Truth?”
By your very own words you say that you follow man’s tradition and that it over rules the plain and simple Holy Scriptures. You can read the Bible it’s pretty simple and straight forward.
So much for tradition going back to the times of Jesus these dates are far from the time of Christ.
For a church that claims beginnings and traditions from Peter I would have to say that your first pope must have forgot to tell you a few really important things.
1 . Prayers for the dead . …………-—————————……300 A.D.
2. Making the sign of the cross ………………………… …300 A.D.
3. Veneration of angels & dead saints …………-————…….375 A.D.
4. Use of images in worship………………………………… . 375 A.D.
5. The Mass as a daily celebration……………………………… 394 A.D.
6 Beginning of the exaltation of Mary; the term, “Mother of God” applied a Council of Ephesus……………. .-———————————————————— 431 A.D.
7 Extreme Unction (Last Rites)……………………………… ..526 A.D.
8. Doctrine of Purgatory-Gregory 1…………………………… .593 A.D..
9. Prayers to Mary & dead saints ……………………………… .600 A.D.
10. Worship of cross, images & relics ……………………… … 786 A.D.
11 Canonization of dead saints ………………………………… ..995 A.D.
12. Celibacy of priesthood …………………………………… …1079 A.D.
13. The Rosary ……………………………………………… … 1090 A.D.
14. Indulgences ……………………………………………… …..1190 A.D.
15. Transubstantiation-Innocent III …………………………… 1215 A.D.
16. Auricular Confession of sins to a priest …………………… 1215 A.D.
17. Adoration of the wafer (Host)…………………………… .. 1220 A.D.
18. Cup forbidden to the people at communion …………………..1414 A.D.
19. Purgatory proclaimed as a dogma……………………………..1439 A.D.
20. The doctrine of the Seven Sacraments confirmed …………….1439 A.D.
21 Tradition declared of equal authority with Bible by Council of Trent…………………………………………————————… 1545 A.D.
22. Apocryphal books added to Bible ………——————……….1546 A.D.
23. Immaculate Conception of Mary……………………………….1854 A.D.
24, Infallibility of the pope in matters of faith and morals, proclaimed by the Vatican Council ……………… 1870 A.D.
25. Assumption of the Virgin Mary (bodily ascension into heaven shortly after her death) ……………………………-—————————————————……1950 A.D.
26. Mary proclaimed Mother of the Church……………………… 1965 A.D.
Or maybe we can talk about the “innocent III” pope and all that tradition he established.. 1200 years after Christ.
1198-1216 Innocent III
Most powerful of all the popes
He claimed to be “vicar of christ/vicar of god”. He said all things in Heaven, Hell, and on earth is subject the vicar of christ.
No your tradition is made up as you go, but since you have only be alive for less than 100 years you think that it has been forever. If you were willing to research history and read the Bible for yourself you would realize that you believe and belong to a cult.
Only true Christianity stands on the Holy Word of GOD just like Moses, Prophets, and true believers in the OT.
RC’s are just like islam, mormons, jw, and all the other cults always have their little additional writings and traditions in addition to the Word. Yet they claim to be educated and able to read above average, but yet they need help to read the simple Word of God.
If man needed anything besides the Word of God it would have been declared by God, but it wasn’t.
2 Tim 3:16
All Scripture is inspired by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, for training in righteousness;
All we need for salvation nothing else right there in front of you no more no less.
Many could not then and sadly, still to this day accept the very words of our dear Lord and Savior Christ Jesus.
Because it contradicts the Word of God in many many places, so your tradition and interpretation is wrong.
You shall not eat blood how simple is that? Those Holy Scripture go from Genesis to Acts from the OT to the NT thou shall not eat blood.
God does NOT contradict Himself ever!
“eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood,”
John 10:9
“I am the door; if anyone enters through Me, he will be saved, and will go in and out and find pasture.
Is that door oak or mahogany?
John 10:3
“To him the doorkeeper opens, and the sheep hear his voice, and he calls his own sheep by name and leads them out.
Are you a ram, ewe, or wether?
John 15:5
“I am the vine, you are the branches; he who abides in Me and I in him, he bears much fruit, for apart from Me you can do nothing.
I guess Jesus is also a grape vine or cucumber?
Revelation 22:16
“I, Jesus, have sent My angel to testify to you these things for the churches. I am the root and the descendant of David, the bright morning star.”
Oh wait He’s not a vine, but the root.
See the trend here Christ is using symbols just like eating blood and human flesh which He would never command.
You are confused,
I apologize for being
ill-equipped to enlighten you
to your perilous error.
I am certain that at some point
hopefully before it’s too late
someone will be able to
penatrate your barriers to
understanding and you may
enter into the light of Truth.
7
“You are confused,”
That’s your reply to the Holy Scripture I submitted for evidence that exposes your cults errors?
I can see we agree with one thing you are ill-equipped for anything that edifies the glory of God through Jesus Christ.
This fable of eating Jesus' flesh and drinking His blood is, at the root of it, an act of pride, pride in having 'done it', a work or task, to activate a magical transformation; you worked now you are due something 'transubstantiated from God to you. That's a form of wages for service rendered, if you will but look at it clearly. You did it, through your priest's magic, now you are due the empowerment.
This was at the heart of pagan practices of eating the foods sacrificed to idols: by a magical transformation to get the idol in you, and the first great Ekklesia Council instructed to refrain from foods sacrificed to idols and from blood!! Why? Because the people around the new Christians believed the idol came into the foods and the adherents believed they transported the actual idol into themselves by eating the foods thus being empowered by essence of the gods / idols.
Since The Word of God expressly forbids eating the blood of the creature, this fable is a blasphemy to what GOD commanded to NOT DO.
Interestingly, even THIS gross blasphemy can be forgiven By God because the source of this is the evil one fogging the minds of people. Jesus made it clear on the night He was betrayed, to bread the bread of life and sip the cup of testament IN REMEBRANCE of what He and ONLY HE could do for you, until He comes for you as He promised to do.
Catholic faith is based on the teaching of Jesus and has not changed, even when some leave because of heresy and follow false teachers. Yes, the Catholic Church has saints and sinners, but one person’s (even priest or Bishop) error or false teaching does not change the Catholic faith established by Jesus and protected by the Holy Spirit.
You don’t mention your denomination that you follow as established by man. Jesus nor the Bible has established that all of God’s Truth is Sola Scripture.
Seek the Truth and try to fully understand God’s Truth.
Your comment: “The Holy Scripture was wrote and enthroned in the true Temple of God before creation was ever started, John 1:1 no beginning or no end.”
John1 states “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.” This was not a written word, but John came to testify to the light. but his own people did not accept him.
You attempt to list items of tradition without fully understanding.
I believe and accept that Jesus told us that the Eucharist is the Body and Blood of Jesus and that we should eat and drink this as food for our salvation.
We need the forgiveness of sin:
God had sent Jesus to forgive sins, but after his resurrection Jesus told the apostles, “‘As the Father has sent me, even so I send you.’ And when he had said this, he breathed on them, and said to them, ‘Receive the Holy Spirit. If you forgive the sins of any, they are forgiven; if you retain the sins of any, they are retained’” (John 20:21–23).
The true “rule of faith”—as expressed in the Bible itself—is Scripture plus apostolic tradition, as manifested in the living teaching authority of the Catholic Church, to which were entrusted the oral teachings of Jesus and the apostles, along with the authority to interpret Scripture correctly.
https://www.catholic.com/tract/scripture-and-tradition
Thank you for your reply dear ADSUM.
7
Do you reject Satan?
And all his works?
And all his empty promises?
Do you believe in God, the Father Almighty, creator of heaven and earth?
Do you believe in Jesus Christ, his only Son, our Lord, who was born of the Virgin Mary was crucified, died, and was buried, rose from the dead, and is now seated at the right hand of the Father?
Do you believe in the Holy Spirit, the holy Catholic church, the communion of saints, the forgiveness of sins, the resurrection of the body, and life everlasting?
God, the all-powerful Father of our Lord Jesus Christ has given us a new birth by water and the Holy Spirit, and forgiven all our sins. May he also keep us faithful to our Lord Jesus Christ for ever and ever.
Do you recognize any of these words?
7
Thanks for your understanding.
Your comment: “Many could not then and sadly, still to this day accept the very words of our dear Lord and Savior Christ Jesus.
Because it contradicts the Word of God in many many places, so your tradition and interpretation is wrong.
You shall not eat blood how simple is that? Those Holy Scripture go from Genesis to Acts from the OT to the NT thou shall not eat blood.
God does NOT contradict Himself ever!”
Wow. May God have mercy for you.
You are calling Jesus a liar and He is the Truth, the Word made flesh.
God never said not to eat and drink the Body and Blood of Jesus.
Your interpretation is blasphemy.
Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.