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Notre Dame May Be Rebuilt as a Secular Monument
Intellectual Takeout ^ | 4/17/19 | Rev. Ben Johnson

Posted on 04/17/2019 8:44:46 PM PDT by OddLane

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To: SoCal Pubbie
Henry VIII did not issue such an order. Many churches in England that had been catholic still stand, with one dating back to 597.

The buildings still stand. None of them are Catholic churches. They are, or were, Anglican. The Catholic faith was illegal in the UK until the 1840's.

What he did do was order the monasteries and convents closed.

Finish your sentence. He also stole their land, used them to enrich his friends, dispersed the monks and nuns, and in some cases killed them.

81 posted on 04/18/2019 5:38:10 AM PDT by Campion ((marine dad))
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To: aMorePerfectUnion
Did a demon ever get scared off by a piece of ugly rock?

Try to think in terms of symbols just a little. Cultures where the vast majority of people are illiterate, like 12th century France, operate by symbols and pictures, not words in printed texts.

82 posted on 04/18/2019 5:41:13 AM PDT by Campion ((marine dad))
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To: Campion

Campion... I was responding to a poster who made the claim.

Rather than promoting a falsehood through symbols, Christian teachers should teach what God declares.

Best


83 posted on 04/18/2019 5:46:40 AM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion
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To: OddLane

That would be pointless, meaningless and grotesque


84 posted on 04/18/2019 5:56:03 AM PDT by SMARTY ("Nobility is defined by the demands it makes on us - by obligations, not by rights".)
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To: Campion
The government confiscated (== stole) all of the church buildings during the revolution, and never gave them back.

So that's what happened. For all his "love" for Catholicism I doubt that Macron or any other Eurocrat has plans to return the property. "Réparations? Comment?"

85 posted on 04/18/2019 6:00:20 AM PDT by aspasia
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To: OddLane
"I'm not saying it's gonna be a mosque, but..."

"...it's gonna be a mosque."

86 posted on 04/18/2019 6:07:24 AM PDT by moovova
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To: Delta 21

“It was built by man. God wanted it.”

Act 17:24 God that made the world and all things therein, seeing that he is Lord of heaven and earth, dwelleth not in temples made with hands;
Act 17:25 Neither is worshipped with men’s hands, as though he needed any thing, seeing he giveth to all life, and breath, and all things;
Act 17:26 And hath made of one blood all nations of men for to dwell on all the face of the earth, and hath determined the times before appointed, and the bounds of their habitation;
Act 17:27 That they should seek the Lord, if haply they might feel after him, and find him, though he be not far from every one of us:
Act 17:28 For in him we live, and move, and have our being; as certain also of your own poets have said, For we are also his offspring.


Thank you for helping me to understand the words I’ve wrote.
You’ve reinforced the “words matter” theme.
After reflection, I would say that Man wanted it.
Thank you for helping me.


87 posted on 04/18/2019 6:16:01 AM PDT by redshawk (0pansy is a Liar and Hates.........he just hates!)
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To: patriot torch

Thank you for helping me to understand the words I’ve wrote.
You’ve reinforced the “words matter” theme.
After reflection, I would say that Man wanted it.
Thank you for helping me.

You’ve made me realize I should study more.
Thanks


88 posted on 04/18/2019 6:21:04 AM PDT by redshawk (0pansy is a Liar and Hates.........he just hates!)
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To: a fool in paradise

That’s right.


89 posted on 04/18/2019 7:00:51 AM PDT by laplata (The Left/Progressives have diseased minds.)
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To: redshawk

I am sentimental to multiple faults.

Praise the Lord in all things!


90 posted on 04/18/2019 7:49:03 AM PDT by Delta 21 (Be strong & prosper, be weak & die! Stay true.... ~~ Donald J. Trump)
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To: SoCal Pubbie
"What he did do was order the monasteries and convents closed."

Perhaps I should have used the term dissolution of the monasteries when speaking of Henry VIII's destruction of property/buildings/monastic libraries, many of which consisted of abbeys and priories owned by those same monasteries. He was after the wealth and property of the Catholic Church.

Dissolution of the Monasteries

List of monasteries dissolved by Henry VIII:

Monasteries Dissolved by Henry VIII of England

91 posted on 04/18/2019 7:53:53 AM PDT by mass55th ("Courage is being scared to death, but saddling up anyway." ~~ John Wayne)
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To: blueplum

Quote~ Consider the 10=12th century mindset - The early tactics of the Church was to scare the hell out of people. Make them aware of the concept of the soul and the flames of Hell. Using cherubs or angels or lambs or any other ‘cutesy looking’ creature for a dirty waterspout just doesn’t have the same effect as a face contorted with agony. Bambi-spouts might even be considered sacrilegious. And back then, one had a high chance of being burned at the stake for that blunder. So you go with gargoyles.

As for demonic creatures, are you giving Satan credit for demons? Who created Heaven, Earth and Hell? Who created Satan and every single demon? Satan sure didn’t. That boy can’t create anything except trouble. Nor can Satan step in and save any demon that gets antsy from being cast into fire forever on the spot - one less guy on his side. The man upstairs is the final judge of all His creations. Should we pretend He only created cute things?

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When satan fell in creations past, a third of the angels cast their lot with satan. satan demanded he be worshiped. The war between good and evil was revived when satan enticed the first couple in the Garden.

It has been stated on this thread that the use of these demonic characters are to ward off evil spirits. Does anyone really believe that demonic forces are scared off when they see statues created and adorned after their kind?

It has also been claimed that God dwells in the “house of worship” Can anyone really believe that God dwells in a house of “worship” which is adorned with demonic symbolism?

Water spouts do serve a useful purpose. But why create an appearance of evil when a simple drainpipe would serve the same purpose?

I don’t post these comments as a means of criticism, but rather as a means to reflect on Scriptures. We must reflect on the Word of God, not traditions.

1 Thessalonians 5:21-23 King James Version (KJV)

21 Prove all things; hold fast that which is good.

22 Abstain from all appearance of evil.

23 And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.

Ephesians 6: 10-12 King James Version (KJV)

10 Finally, my brethren, be strong in the Lord, and in the power of his might.

11 Put on the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil.

12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.


92 posted on 04/18/2019 7:57:49 AM PDT by patriot torch
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To: Delta 21

Thank you. I will do better.
Sincerely Red.


93 posted on 04/18/2019 8:11:41 AM PDT by redshawk (0pansy is a Liar and Hates.........he just hates!)
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To: mass55th
"Henry VIII basically did the same thing when he broke with the church in Rome, and ordered the destruction of all Catholic churches, abbeys, cathedrals, and confiscated the land, and wealth therein."

And by doing so, delayed the Industrial Revolution by 200 years.

94 posted on 04/18/2019 8:22:30 AM PDT by Wonder Warthog (The Hog of Steel and NRA Life Member)
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To: Wonder Warthog

Except as I have shown, he didn’t actually destroy all those things. He only went after the monasteries and convents. Perhaps those were the driving institutions behind the industrial revolution but I’m not see the connection.


95 posted on 04/18/2019 9:52:04 AM PDT by SoCal Pubbie
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To: SoCal Pubbie
"Except as I have shown, he didn’t actually destroy all those things. He only went after the monasteries and convents. Perhaps those were the driving institutions behind the industrial revolution but I’m not see the connection."

There was a monastery located in the heart of the area in England that later birthed the industrial revolution (due to the easy access to both coal and iron ore).

Those monks specialized in blacksmithery and iron work. They also did "engineering research" into those things, and were just on the verge of inventing the Bessemer process.

Ole Henry disbanded that monastery, and the technology was lost. Hence, the first Industrial Revolution died aborning.

96 posted on 04/18/2019 10:08:55 AM PDT by Wonder Warthog (The Hog of Steel and NRA Life Member)
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To: patriot torch

I’m not that well-versed in the history, but I believe the purpose of gargoyles was to be used as rain spouts the building.


97 posted on 04/18/2019 1:35:23 PM PDT by OddLane
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To: patriot torch

Catholicism covers everything. They are not puritanical sissies. Demons are SUBJECT to the authority of the true Christian Church founded by Christ.


98 posted on 04/18/2019 8:17:16 PM PDT by Marchmain (Twin Towers: NYC...ND)
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To: patriot torch

R U one of those people who are afraid to read horoscopes or fortune cookies?


99 posted on 04/18/2019 8:22:35 PM PDT by Marchmain (Twin Towers: NYC 01... Paris 19.)
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To: Mr Radical

He means something asymmetrical, like Mrs. Macron’s couture clothing.


100 posted on 04/18/2019 8:25:11 PM PDT by Marchmain (Twin Towers: NYC 01... Paris 19.)
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