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So many good things about the Catholic Church but also so many falsehoods. The Catholic Church is wrong about salvation. The Bible clearly says that salvation iis a GIFT from God and available to all that believe in Him and that good works are not part of salvation. Good works are the result of salvation.

The Catholic Church is wrong about the papacy and this current pope proves it. The pope does not speak with authority when he is clearly making it up to suit his own earthly political views. He is a fraud.

The Bible also clearly says that no one comes to the Father but by me eliminates the falsity of praying to Mary and saints.

69 posted on 03/30/2019 10:47:42 AM PDT by Wm F Buckley Republican
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There have been antipopes in the past and the Church is still here. We will survive.


110 posted on 03/30/2019 11:13:35 AM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Wm F Buckley Republican; Salvation
The Bible also clearly says that no one comes to the Father but by me eliminates the falsity of praying to Mary and saints.

Indeed . Stand by for the specious extrapolation of "we are told to pray for each other.." etc. Meaning despite the Spirit inspiring the recording of over 200 prayers , and of this being a most basic practice, and despite there always being plenty of created beings to pray to, and occasions for it since the Fall, yet the only prayers or offerings in Scripture to anyone else in the unseen spiritual heaven is by pagans, including to the only Queen of Heaven seen in Scripture.

Failing to find even one example of PTCBIH, and with instruction on who to address in prayer to Heaven only being that of to the Lord, Caths must resort to eisegetical extrapolation, presuming those in Heaven can not only hear/understand all prayers from earth, mental or oral (which only God is shown able to do), but that we are to address them, though again the Holy Spirit never mentions even one example of doing so.

Meanwhile, from what I recall, any two-way communication btwn created beings in Heaven and earth required both to somehow be present in the same location, and was not that of asking them to intercede to God for them, and was very rare.

Note that elders and angels offering prayers (Rv. 5:8; 8:4,5) in memorial - like as in Lv. 2:2,15,16; 24:7; Num. 5:15; 16:9, "an offering of memorial" cf. Num. 16:9, - is not that of them being addressed in prayer, nor does it indicate that they had heard them previously, nor is it described as being a regular postal service, but it is one of the things which is a preclude to the final judgments upon the earth, testifying to the persecutions of the saints by the devil and world that it fit to be punished.

For when "He maketh inquisition for blood, he remembereth them: he forgetteth not the cry of the humble. (Psalms 9:12; cf. Genesis 4:10) and before judgment God brings forth testimony of the warrant for it, which includes the cry of those martyred souls under the altar in Rv. 6:9, and with odors representing prayer, akin to Leviticus 6:15, "burn it upon the altar for a sweet savour, even the memorial of it, unto the Lord." (Leviticus 6:15)

214 posted on 03/31/2019 10:51:59 AM PDT by daniel1212 (Trust the risen Lord Jesus to save you as a damned and destitute sinner + be baptized + follow Him)
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