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Why Does Jesus Call Us Wicked?
Archdiocese of Washington ^ | 03-13-19 | Msgr. Charles Pope

Posted on 03/14/2019 10:04:03 AM PDT by Salvation

Why Does Jesus Call Us Wicked?

In the Gospel for today’s Mass (Thursday of the First Week of Lent) Jesus says,

If you then, who are wicked, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will the Father in heaven give the Holy Spirit to those who ask him? (Lk 11:13)

I received an e-mail once, regarding this verse:

“This line bugs me. I think I know the larger point that Jesus makes here, and/or perhaps it’s poorly translated, but it seems a bit harsh for Jesus to refer to mankind as ‘wicked’. Wicked? That’s tough stuff! But perhaps, to Jesus, we are evil.”

So what is going on here? Why does Jesus call us wicked?

First let’s make sure that the translation from the Greek is a good one. The Greek expression used is πονηροὶ ὑπάρχοντες (poneroi hyparchontes). Poneroi is defined “bad, of a bad nature or condition,” but it is also defined as “full of labors, annoyances, hardships.” Hyparchontes is defined as “from the very beginning” or “being inherently.”

Thus, the translation “you who are wicked” is likely accurate. However, there is a sort of sympathy contained in it as well, implying that this wickedness comes from the fact that we have inherited a fallen nature that is weighed down with the labors and hardships that come from living in this fallen world, this “paradise lost.”

What do the commentaries say? It is interesting that in the seven modern commentaries I consulted, not one of them mentions this expression. However, some of the ancient Fathers did:

Cyril of Alexandria wrote, When he says, “You who are evil” he means, “You whose mind is capable of being influenced by evil and not uniformly inclined to good like the God of all” (Commentary on Luke, Homily 79).

In one of his homilies, Bede had this to say: Any human mortal, weak and still burdened with sinful flesh, does not refuse to give the good things which he possesses, although they are earthly and weak, to the children whom he loves (Homilies on the Gospel 2.14).

Elsewhere, Bede is quoted as follows: He calls the lovers of the world evil, who give those things which they judge good according to their sense, which are also good in their nature, and are useful to aid imperfect life. Hence he adds, “[They] know how to give good gifts to [their] children.” The Apostles even, who by the merit of their election had exceeded the goodness of mankind in general, are said to be evil in comparison with Divine goodness, since nothing is of itself good but God alone (Quoted in the Catena Aurea at Lk 11:13).

Athanasius said, Now unless the Holy Spirit were of the substance of God, Who alone is good, He would by no means be called good, since our Lord [Jesus] refused to be called good, inasmuch as He was made man (Quoted in the Catena Aurea at Luke 11:13).

What, then, can we draw from the fact that the Lord calls us “wicked”?

Jesus seems to be speaking by comparison or degree. He may not mean that we are evil in an absolute sense, rather that we are evil in comparison to God, who is absolute good. The Hebrew and Aramaic languages have fewer comparative words, so the ancient Jews would often use absolute categories to set forth comparison or degree. For example, elsewhere Jesus tells us that we must hate our father, mother, children, and even our very self and that we must love Him (e.g., Luke 14:26). This does not mean that we are to literally despise our family and others. It means that we are to love Jesus more than we love them. Because of the paucity of comparative words available, the ancient Jews used a lot of what we would consider to be hyperbole. In modern English we might say, “If you, then, who are not nearly as holy as God and are prone to sin, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will God, who is absolutely good and not prone to sin, give the Holy Spirit to those who ask Him?”

However, we ought to be careful not to discount Jewish hyperbole and simply rewrite the words; the point of the hyperbole cannot be completely set aside. Created things may share in God’s goodness, but God alone is absolutely good. So good is He, in fact, that everything else is practically evil in comparison. The hyperbole places the emphasis of God’s absolute goodness. We have no goodness apart from God’s goodness. If we do share in God’s goodness, it is infinitesimal in comparison. Hence, as Bede said, The Apostles even, who by the merit of their election had exceeded the goodness of mankind in general, are said to be evil in comparison with Divine goodness, since nothing is of itself good but God alone.

Even Jesus refused the title “good” for Himself in terms of His humanity. The Gospel of Mark contains the following dialogue: As Jesus started on his way, a man ran up to him and fell on his knees before him. “Good teacher,” he asked, “what must I do to inherit eternal life?” “Why do you call me good?” Jesus answered. “No one is good except God alone (Mk 10:17-18). As God, Jesus is good—absolute good. One could also argue that in His sinless humanity, Jesus is also good; but Jesus, presuming the man merely regarded Him as ordinarily human, rebukes him and declares that God alone is good.

In the end, it’s time for us to eat some humble pie. Jesus probably does not mean we are absolutely evil and have nothing good in us, but God alone is absolutely good. He is so good that we can barely be thought of as anything but evil in the face of His immense goodness. Humble pie doesn’t have much sugar in it, does it!



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1 posted on 03/14/2019 10:04:03 AM PDT by Salvation
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To: nickcarraway; NYer; ELS; Pyro7480; livius; ArrogantBustard; Catholicguy; RobbyS; marshmallow; ...

Monsignor Pope Ping!


2 posted on 03/14/2019 10:05:32 AM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Salvation

Jesus didn’t refuse to be called good or deny being good. He simply asked why he was being called good and pointed out that only God is good.

Jesus was indeed good, and he was God.


3 posted on 03/14/2019 10:10:18 AM PDT by DannyTN
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To: Salvation

I think it mainly means that we are fallen and chronically prone to sin.


4 posted on 03/14/2019 10:17:56 AM PDT by Migraine
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To: Salvation

“Even Jesus refused the title “good” for Himself in terms of His humanity. The Gospel of Mark contains the following dialogue: As Jesus started on his way, a man ran up to him and fell on his knees before him. “Good teacher,” he asked, “what must I do to inherit eternal life?” “Why do you call me good?” Jesus answered. “No one is good except God alone (Mk 10:17-18). As God, Jesus is good—absolute good. One could also argue that in His sinless humanity, Jesus is also good; but Jesus, presuming the man merely regarded Him as ordinarily human, rebukes him and declares that God alone is good.”

Did He refuse, or did he merely ask why the man called Him “good” since only God is good? This event is entirely consistent with other examples of His teaching and actions that urged people to the draw correct conclusion about who He really was, if they were honest and willing.


5 posted on 03/14/2019 10:19:26 AM PDT by mikeus_maximus (The Truth does not require our agreement.)
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To: DannyTN

exactly-

Gill’s Exposition of the Entire Bible
And Jesus said unto him,.... The same as in Mat_. 19:17, See Gill on Matthew 19:17.

Why callest thou me good? This is said, not as denying that he was good, or as being angry with him for calling him so, but in order to lead this young man to a true knowledge of him, and his goodness, and even of his proper deity:

Jesus was showing the young man who said that that noone, no man, is good and can’t earn their way to heaven- one can only become saved by putting their faith in the only One who is good- Christ

Jesus was confronting the man’s suggestion that one can only be saved by observing Jewish law- Jesus let him know that no man is good enough for salvation- ever


6 posted on 03/14/2019 10:19:26 AM PDT by Bob434
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To: Salvation
Why Does Jesus Call Us Wicked?

He had my number, for sure. :(

7 posted on 03/14/2019 10:30:46 AM PDT by NobleFree ("law is often but the tyrant's will, and always so when it violates the right of an individual")
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To: Salvation
it seems a bit harsh for Jesus to refer to mankind as ‘wicked’.

That's funny.

8 posted on 03/14/2019 11:22:49 AM PDT by marron
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Mostly because many say they love Him/God, but refuse to do what he says to do. Not wanting to do what Yeshua did, they invent their own _modern_ version of good. Yeshua lived the whole book. He said the whole book. Fortunately, Paul didn’t change what Yeshua/God expects; he knew he wasn’t God.


9 posted on 03/14/2019 11:25:39 AM PDT by veracious (UN=OIC=Islam ; USAgov may be radically changed, just amend USConstitution)
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To: DannyTN

Not buying the authors take as we are surely Brethren beloved of the Lord. (2 Thessalonians 2:13)

He calls me His Beloved: “My beloved is mine and I am his….” (Song of Songs 2:16)

Further he says...”I have called you friends….(John 15:15

Additionly....”I will be a Father to you, and you will be my sons and daughters, says the Lord Almighty.” (2 Corinthians 6:18)


10 posted on 03/14/2019 11:33:38 AM PDT by caww
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To: veracious

“How great is the love the Father has lavished on us, that we should be called children of God! And that is what we are!” 1 John 3:1....”Now if we are children, then we are heirs — heirs of God and co-heirs with Christ” Romans 8:17 “For God did not appoint us to suffer wrath but to receive salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ.” 1 Thessalonians 5:9

You don’t have to struggle and try to earn your salvation by works. To know God considers you saved is incredibly reassuring. You can live in joy.....Hope is not based on what we can muster up. It’s based on the One we have hope in Jesus Christ.

“’For I know the plans I have for you,’ declares the LORD, ‘plans to prosper you and not to harm you, plans to give you hope and a future.’” Jeremiah 29:11

When you see yourself as God sees you, it can change your entire perspective on life.


11 posted on 03/14/2019 11:43:08 AM PDT by caww
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To: All

Salvation is a free gift of God, lest any should boast.

How to live an eternal life is bounded by His righteousness. Man rebels, insisting to have the final say on how to live. We have virtually infinite freedom living His ways, His paths. Eternal beings live like Yeshua. Yeshua hasn’t changed.

For me and my family, we will live as Jeses lived, do what Jesus did. He did what the Father said to do, only.


12 posted on 03/14/2019 12:12:04 PM PDT by veracious (UN=OIC=Islam ; USAgov may be radically changed, just amend USConstitution)
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To: Salvation
Jeremiah 17:9 “The heart is deceitful above all things, And desperately wicked; Who can know it?"

Too many have bought into the myth that there is goodness in everyone. No. we are evil and in need of redemption. Jesus said, "He who believes in [Me] is not condemned; but he who does not believe is condemned already,"

13 posted on 03/14/2019 1:06:36 PM PDT by aimhigh (THIS is His commandment . . . . 1 John 3:23)
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To: Salvation

Because we were not Jews...

and did not follow Moseic jewish laws, festivals, traditions, sacrifices, etc.

This whole thing about admitting gentiles into his the faith was BS that Saint Paul (not an apostle) initiated. It was initially opposed by all the original apostles, but Paul finally won out and convinced them due to the great amounts of money that could be have by selling ‘alms’ (pardons)

So I am sorry to say, Jesus message was corrupted and changed... In order to make money. Really sad.


14 posted on 03/14/2019 1:46:21 PM PDT by Toughluck_freeper
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To: Salvation

He was not calling us wicked. He was calling first century Jewish leaders wicked. See Mat 23.


15 posted on 03/14/2019 4:39:03 PM PDT by grumpa
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To: Salvation

We live in a wicked world and we see in it the news and in others.

We may not see it in ourselves as we chose not to face facts and we are good at rationalizing our actions. Even when caught by others, we often lie about our guilt.

We have been given the example of Jesus, and when we follow His path and follow Him, we get many blessings.

I see God like a parent cringing at actions and decisions of the children. Hopefully we grow in love of God and neighbor as we grow in wisdom and become less wicked.

We are being tempted and tested like Jesus was and hopefully we will join Him in Heaven.


16 posted on 03/15/2019 5:48:31 AM PDT by ADSUM
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To: Toughluck_freeper
Because we were not Jews... and did not follow Moseic jewish laws, festivals, traditions, sacrifices, etc. This whole thing about admitting gentiles into his the faith was BS that Saint Paul (not an apostle) initiated. It was initially opposed by all the original apostles, but Paul finally won out and convinced them due to the great amounts of money that could be have by selling ‘alms’ (pardons) So I am sorry to say, Jesus message was corrupted and changed... In order to make money. Really sad.

Huh??? Did you forget that Almighty God told Abraham long before Jews existed, that ALL the nations of the earth would be blessed through him?

    I will surely bless you, and I will multiply your descendants like the stars in the sky and the sand on the seashore. Your descendants will possess the gates of their enemies. And through your offspring all nations of the earth will be blessed, because you have obeyed My voice.” (Genesis 22:17,18)

The Apostle Paul, by the revelation of the Holy Spirit said:

    So also, “Abraham believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness.” Understand, then, that those who have faith are the sons of Abraham. The Scripture foresaw that God would justify the Gentiles by faith, and foretold the gospel to Abraham: “All nations will be blessed through you.” So those who have faith are blessed along with Abraham, the man of faith. (Galatians 3:6-9)

The Apostles ALREADY understood that Gentiles would be drawn to the Messiah and that they would be saved in the same way as the Jews - by grace through faith. Jesus' command to them was to go into all the world and preach the gospel to everyone. The money aspect was not invented by Paul but was brought into the church hundreds of years later because of sinful pride and simony.

17 posted on 03/15/2019 3:48:26 PM PDT by boatbums (Not by works of righteousness which we have done but according to His mercy he saved us.)
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To: NobleFree

The fallen human heart is desperately wicked. Even our attempts at good deeds are as filthy rags. There is no sugar coating it. Until we are saved and born again we live in utter depravity no matter how much we would like to deny it


18 posted on 03/15/2019 4:47:26 PM PDT by Mom MD ( .)
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To: ADSUM

The only way to become less wicked is to accept the saving work of Jesus Christ and be born again. There is nothing we can do to become less wicked but to lay our sins at His feet and let Him deal with them

And there is no hopefully about joining Him in Heaven. You have either been saved by Him or not. If you have trusted Him for your salvation you will be with Him period. There is nothing you can add.


19 posted on 03/15/2019 4:52:29 PM PDT by Mom MD ( .)
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To: aimhigh

Amen


20 posted on 03/15/2019 4:53:12 PM PDT by Mom MD ( .)
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