Posted on 02/26/2019 10:31:26 AM PST by lightman
After approving the Traditional Plan in the morning, General Conference delegates spent the afternoon debating and ultimately voting against the One Church Plan.
Delegates opposed the bishops’ recommended One Church Plan by a vote of 436 to 386. The vote was 53 to almost 47 percent.
The votes mean the Traditional Plan moves forward to plenary Feb. 26.
The One Church Plan could still come back, but as a minority report. An amended version of the Traditional Plan, which delegates did not fully take up, also could come before the body Feb. 26.
Also heading to the plenary are two separate petitions that, with certain limitations, would allow churches to depart with their property. Currently, delegates also plan to discuss the LGBTQ-submitted Simple Plan, which eliminates restrictions related to homosexuality.
Dorothee Benz, delegate from New York, made an amendment to pull the Simple Plan from a motion to reject all remaining petitions.
The Rev. Adam Hamilton, a delegate from Great Plains, stood to speak for the motion, saying it would inflict harm by not at least discussing the plan.
“Yes, it’s going to be defeated, that’s clear. But this is the one opportunity to say we care enough to listen for a moment.”
The votes are a good indication of what direction delegates hope to take The United Methodist Church in its longtime debate over homosexuality.
The Traditional Plan aims to strengthen the denomination’s prohibitions against clergy officiating at same-sex unions or being “self-avowed practicing homosexuals.”
The plan also encourages those who will not obey church prohibitions to find another church home.
The One Church Plan would have left questions of such weddings up to individual clergy and congregations — and questions of gay ordination up to individual conferences. Central conferences — church regions in Africa, Europe and the Philippines — would be able to determine their own policies.
As the Rev. Joe Harris presides over the legislative committee, the results of a vote approving the Traditional Plan as amended by 461-359 are displayed. The vote must still be approved by the plenary session on Feb. 26, the final day of the special session of the 2019 General Conference of The United Methodist Church in St. Louis. (Photo by Paul Jeffrey, UMNS.)
Therefore:
Lutheran (EL C S*A) Ping!
* as of August 19, AD 2009, a liberal protestant SECT, not part of the holy, catholic and apostolic CHURCH.
Be rooted in Christ!
NOTE: The August 19 date pertains to the adoption of gay agenda policies, NOT the UMC agreement!
“Yes, it’s going to be defeated, that’s clear. But this is the one opportunity to say we care enough to listen for a moment.”
Caring enough would be to issue a call for repentance that didn’t depart from the Scripture one jot.
Approving the traditional plan was more caring than listening to the homophile plan.
Bump.
It’s really disheartening to see religious bodies torn apart and see schisms over homosexuality and homosexual marriage.
I am not a member so it doesn’t affect me personally.
But, all this does is create pressures to affirmative endorse homosexuality by other denominations as well.
The western “Christians” were outvoted by the ranks of the converted Christians from the rest of the world.
I have seen this in Korea, where any Presbyterian, Catholic or Methodist church there is almost always more “Conservative” (traditional Christian) than their counterparts in the U.S.
If a time machine could bring back the older generations of Christian missionarieas that took Christianity into Asia and Africa, and send them on missions in the U.S., the U.S. denominations would likely have a renewal.
The Church needs to incorporate the Centers for Disease Control warning on sodomy. This is key to the argument against pro-sodomy churchianity. Let them defend death and disease as part of a peron’s walk with the Christ of the Bible! Don’t let them stray away on any other point. Let them defend disease!
That this question is even on the table for a so-called “Christian” denomination indicates that they are already dead and pagan.
Methodist / former Methodist ping!
It’s wasn’t just the missionaries... it was also those who persecuted the Church in Africa that created this clarity of faith.
When St. Charles Luwanga and his companions... who included Catholics and Protestants if I remember correctly were martyred for refusing to engage in sodomy with the King of Uganda... it basically burned the teachings of the Church into the souls of Africa’s faithful.
They aren’t going to be fooled by the apologists for those who killed their spiritual fathers.
It’s rather interesting. The church put on its best “Diversity face of the church” and got hoisted on its own petard by robbing the liberals of their usual “Old white men” argument.
It is an exclusive selection process that inherently shuns truly and traditionally Bible-based Christians as its leaders. It is this kind of slanted episcopacy that favors apostasy over holiness in our times.
The failure to apply church discipline and defrock ministers and/or excommunicate members not subscribing to and living as faithful Christians that is killing the organization/ There should never be enough of them even in a local church, let alone in a District or Conference to gather enough of a group to challenge the Scripturally Spiritually guided leadership in its authority over applied beliefs.
No guts, no Glory--that is the result.
Let the liberals and anti bible followers go in peace. The church left behind will be the true followers of God, Jesus and the Bible and be stronger and on sure footing. Goodbye brothers and sisters not in Christ.
2019 General Conference passes Traditional Plan
Updated at 6 p.m. Tuesday: Delegates to The United Methodist Church’s top lawmaking assembly approved a plan that affirms church policies on homosexuality and strengthens enforcement.
The vote was 438 to 384.
LOLs! Hoist!
You are so right. It has turned into the "Church of Nice", where unpleasant words like "sin" or "wrong" must never be uttered, or even thought. Such a shame. My Jesus made a whip out of cords and beat the moneychangers out of the Temple.
If only they would go in peace. They have been throwing tantrums at every Convention for 25 years trying to force the UMC to capitulate to their demands, and when asked to leave, wouldn't leave. Why? Because their goal is to destroy the plain teachings of Jesus and the Bible, forcing the UMC to celebrate gayness and bless gay marriages. Finally it has come to this point, and one devoutly hopes they do leave this time.
Go, already. Get thee behind us.
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