Posted on 02/18/2019 8:32:08 AM PST by Salvation
Monsignor Pope Ping!
Interesting. Thank you for posting.
Scriptures are far, far more insightful and enduring than political correctness.
Thy first father hath sinned, and thy teachers have transgressed against me.Many (not all) understand the first father (or forefather, literally) here to be Adam.
Isaiah 43:27
Eve was deceived first by the serpent and succumbed to the temptation to possess the knowledge of God (in a sense to be equal to God). The part that has always troubled me is that upon that first bite, and becoming aware of her sin, she then offered Adam the second bite. He succumbed to the temptation, and I’m guessing here, the new awareness in Eve’s eyes that he had never witnessed before. I would call it a seductive look. To me that is why women should not be permitted to teach men or hold positions of authority in the church. Even when we come to the knowledge of our error we do not confess it but try to entice others to follow us. But that’s just my opinion. Did Adam sin? Yes. But was Eve instrumental in his downfall? Yes.
“These sorts of teachings grate on modern ears, but this does not make them untrue.” AMEN!
***Bump*** for later reading.
Once again, Pope, Charles nails it. It has occurred to me that in addition to being the start of the Salvation Plan for mankind, Eden was the first honey trap designed for Satan. God made Eve so cute and nice that Satan could not resist messing with her. He chose poorly!
“And Adam was not the one deceived; it was the woman who was deceived and became a sinner”
And, generally speakinv, aren’t women more easily deceived than men even today?
“Thus, Adams sin lay in his willingness to allow his wife to tempt him.”
Nothing has changed there. Men are suckers to women’s advances. The little head downstairs takes over.
So women are easily conned by shysters and men are easily conned by women.
That, in a nutshell, is the history of the world.
There are a lot of contradictions in this article and commentary of the story of Adam and Eve.
First it is silly to ascribe to all women the failure of the first.
How did Eve sin? She was beguiled by Satan but Eve knew what she wanted, she wanted knowledge. She wanted to progress. She wanted to be “like God”.
Adam had a problem when confronted by Eve with the fruit of the tree of knowledge. Apparently he had no desire to progress and be like God, does that mean that all his male descendants would want the same thing, I think not. In this I think the Apostle Paul erred, but to be fair that was the thinking in his time.
Adam wanted to be with Eve and Adam wanted to obey the commandment to replenish the earth. Without Eve he must have realized that he could not.
Adam could not obey both commandments, that is to replenish the earth and not partake of the fruit of knowledge so he broke the lesser of the two commandments. He did break the commandment to not partake of the fruit. There is no way one can successfully make an argument that he did not break a commandment for he did eat of the fruit. Because he partook of the fruit death entered into the world but along with death because he partook also came new life into the world as he knew his wife Eve and had children, therefore we are here.
Nice post; tied to scripture
Adam sin contained the lack of seeing that God could solve the problem. You can always obey all the commands of God. God could have created another women. Maybe, God could have used Adam to save Eve. God’s ways are above our ways. And always has the answer. We need to see Him as God.
Genesis would be a very different book had 1) Adam run toward God rather than away, and 2) had he taken the blame for his wife rather than shift the blame to her.
Its always better to face Gods judgement straight up, than to run from it. In the end God loves you. If you have to face judgement, thats your better choice.
Modern ears need to be grated upon.
No. The Truth is policially incorrect ... please keep posting it.
Not only in the Church, but in politics, also. I've heard it said that it was a mistake to allow women the vote - I kind of wonder about that because of all that social justice and pc crap going on out there. Probably all women-based, and I can say that as I'm a woman.
Can’t wait to read this! Thanks for the post Salvation.
Its the womans fault.....
On a side note, at the peak of Venice’s wealth and power, a new priest was asked to minister to a wealthy but contentious congregation. Their last several priests had gone foul of one of the two major factions in the church, so had been displaced, some after their first sermon, which was broadly interpreted as supportive or hostile to the factions.
So, knowing of this, his first sermon was on the sin of Adam. And the second was on the sin of Eve. And the third on the sin of Adam again. etc. And he did this for decades, often carrying on extended arguments with his previous sermons. And yet he offended no one enough to get himself fired. Some congregants made it a point to go out of their way to come to church just for the sermons, like they were a serialized story.
And in the process, he was able to integrate more traditional topics of sermons, in reference to his debate about Adam and Eve. He retired in good standing, and by that time, the contentiousness of that congregation had ended.
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