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To: pcottraux
From my understanding, Maryology emerged in the centuries following the Early Church from the thorny issue of how Jesus could be sinless if He was born from the seed of Adam. Obviously since Joseph was His earthly father that's not a problem; so now we turn to His earthly mother, Mary. Ascending her into a divine realm as Mother of God seemed to fix the problem nicely. However, I would point out that you're still left with the issue that the Messiah had to be a descendant of David (and this couldn't be if He had no human parents).

Yet when many Catholics are faced with zero testimony for one of their beliefs, such as the Assumption or prayer to created beings in Heaven (which among other things means such have the power to hear prayer in Heaven, which only God is shown to have) then they God argue that nothing is impossible with God.

And thus since God is said to have preserved Mary from sin without her own parents being so, then they should not require her to be sinless in order for the sinless Christ to be born of her.

And if being sinless was required in order to bear the sinless Son of God, then why would she also not have to be perfect in character in order to bear one who was? But of course, for many uncensored Catholics, pretty much whatever Christ was and is, Mary also was and is , except as possessing Divinity by nature and perhaps headship over Christ.

Meanwhile, God "brought forth" His pure word thru imperfect but holy men, and as you point out, The sinless Savior had a sinful genealogy, coming out of Israel according to the flesh.

59 posted on 02/18/2019 3:56:14 PM PST by daniel1212 (Trust the risen Lord Jesus to save you as a damned and destitute sinner + be baptized + follow Him)
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To: daniel1212
Yeah, it's one of those ideas that gets more ridiculous and inconsistent the more you advance its logical steps. If Jesus couldn't have been born from sinful parents, then neither could Mary, and if Mary couldn't have been born from sinful parents, etc.

Yet when many Catholics are faced with zero testimony for one of their beliefs, such as the Assumption or prayer to created beings in Heaven (which among other things means such have the power to hear prayer in Heaven, which only God is shown to have) then they God argue that nothing is impossible with God.

I don't mean to be too hard on Catholicism or any other orthodox religion because some of my good friends are Catholic. When I first ventured into social media, I learned very quickly that people of other faiths...orthodox Christians, Mormons, even Muslims...were generally polite and respectful. The first time I crossed the atheist internet troll community, I quickly learned who the real enemy was! I still have nightmares of that horror show!

That said, I still can't compromise with Catholic doctrine. It's puzzling to me how much they get right...I appreciate that Catholic church's contributions to philosophy and science and how well-versed in those subjects their members tend to be. But when it comes to their own history, such as how Maryology, transubstantiation, purgatory, etc. entered Catholic dogma, they get it really, embarrassingly wrong.

You want a good show, read some objective history about Martin Luther and the Reformation. Then listen to a Catholic apologist describe Martin Luther and the Reformation. It's actually really funny to compare.

60 posted on 02/18/2019 4:51:41 PM PST by pcottraux (depthsofpentecost.com)
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