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No, Francis, God did not "will a plurality and diversity of religions": saying so is ..."
Rorate Caeli ^ | February 5, 2019 | Pope Francis / Pope Pius IX

Posted on 02/05/2019 11:22:25 AM PST by ebb tide

No, Francis, God did not "will a plurality and diversity of religions": saying so is "altogether abandoning the divinely revealed religion."

Point:

The pluralism and the diversity of religions, colour, sex, race and language are willed by God in His wisdom, through which He created human beings.
Document co-signed by Francis and the "Grand Imam of Al-Azhar" Ahmad Al-Tayyeb

Counterpoint:

Never perhaps in the past have we seen, as we see in these our own times, the minds of men so occupied by the desire both of strengthening and of extending to the common welfare of human society that fraternal relationship which binds and unites us together, and which is a consequence of our common origin and nature. For since the nations do not yet fully enjoy the fruits of peace - indeed rather do old and new disagreements in various places break forth into sedition and civic strife - and since on the other hand many disputes which concern the tranquility and prosperity of nations cannot be settled without the active concurrence and help of those who rule the States and promote their interests, it is easily understood, and the more so because none now dispute the unity of the human race, why many desire that the various nations, inspired by this universal kinship, should daily be more closely united one to another.

A similar object is aimed at by some, in those matters which concern the New Law promulgated by Christ our Lord. For since they hold it for certain that men destitute of all religious sense are very rarely to be found, they seem to have founded on that belief a hope that the nations, although they differ among themselves in certain religious matters, will without much difficulty come to agree as brethren in professing certain doctrines, which form as it were a common basis of the spiritual life. For which reason conventions, meetings and addresses are frequently arranged by these persons, at which a large number of listeners are present, and at which all without distinction are invited to join in the discussion, both infidels of every kind, and Christians, even those who have unhappily fallen away from Christ or who with obstinacy and pertinacity deny His divine nature and mission.

Certainly such attempts can nowise be approved by Catholics, founded as they are on that false opinion which considers all religions to be more or less good and praiseworthy, since they all in different ways manifest and signify that sense which is inborn in us all, and by which we are led to God and to the obedient acknowledgment of His rule.

Not only are those who hold this opinion in error and deceived, but also in distorting the idea of true religion they reject it, and little by little turn aside to naturalism and atheism, as it is called; from which it clearly follows that one who supports those who hold these theories and attempt to realize them, is altogether abandoning the divinely revealed religion.

Pius XI
Mortalium Animos


TOPICS: Apologetics; Catholic; Theology
KEYWORDS: apostasy; francischurch; pluralism
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1 posted on 02/05/2019 11:22:25 AM PST by ebb tide
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2 posted on 02/05/2019 11:24:07 AM PST by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome.)
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To: ebb tide

Amen. Who’s gonna tell the Popey?


3 posted on 02/05/2019 11:24:14 AM PST by bboop (does not suffer fools gladly)
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To: ebb tide

The so-called Pope is a damn idiot. That’s plain and simple to see.


4 posted on 02/05/2019 11:25:03 AM PST by Bullish (My tagline ran off with another man.)
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To: ebb tide

I expect this anti-Pope to again say something equally egregious such as “yes, Jesus was the penultimate prophet of God and was superseded by Muhammad, the final prophet”.


5 posted on 02/05/2019 11:25:33 AM PST by House Atreides (Boycott the NFL 100% — PERMANENT)
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To: ebb tide

Frankie is only doing what a failed, third-rate, democratic presidential candidate was supposed to do.


6 posted on 02/05/2019 11:26:56 AM PST by Slyfox (Not my circus, not my monkeys)
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To: ebb tide

The only sense that God has willed a plurality of religion, is that God gave man free will, to accept or reject Him or to make up false religions.

And since God has been patient and hasn’t destroyed false religions then they exist because of God’s permissive will.

But that certainly doesn’t mean that a plurality of religions is a good thing or that you can even find salvation through more than one path. (Technically there are two paths. Never sin...No one does that. Or be forgiven..which requires Jesus).


7 posted on 02/05/2019 11:29:24 AM PST by DannyTN
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To: ebb tide

The only sense that God has willed a plurality of religion, is that God gave man free will, to accept or reject Him or to make up false religions.

And since God has been patient and hasn’t destroyed false religions then they exist because of God’s permissive will.

But that certainly doesn’t mean that a plurality of religions is a good thing or that you can even find salvation through more than one path. (Technically there are two paths. Never sin...No one does that. Or be forgiven..which requires Jesus).


8 posted on 02/05/2019 11:29:24 AM PST by DannyTN
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To: ebb tide

one way to life sanctioned by God..Jesus


9 posted on 02/05/2019 11:30:17 AM PST by aces
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To: ebb tide

God condemned worshiping false gods (ie. false religions) more than anything else in the OT and even enshrined this imperative in the first commandment (you shall have no other gods before me). This is real whore of Babylon stuff the pope is venturing into.


10 posted on 02/05/2019 11:31:52 AM PST by circlecity
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To: ebb tide

That’s what he said. He is not fit to be pope and must resign immediately.


11 posted on 02/05/2019 11:36:09 AM PST by I want the USA back (Lying Media: willing and eager allies of the hate-America left.)
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To: DannyTN

Good ness
Are you Mormon?


12 posted on 02/05/2019 11:57:28 AM PST by Cletus.D.Yokel (Catastrophic, Anthropogenic Climate Alterations: The acronym explains the science.)
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To: I want the USA back

Resign?
I want John Hess to arrange sentencing.


13 posted on 02/05/2019 11:59:00 AM PST by Cletus.D.Yokel (Catastrophic, Anthropogenic Climate Alterations: The acronym explains the science.)
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To: Cletus.D.Yokel

Heck no!


14 posted on 02/05/2019 11:59:10 AM PST by DannyTN
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To: Cletus.D.Yokel

I’m guessing you asked if I was mormon because the Smith raged against multiple Christian denominations. But those denominations all worship the same God and acknowledge the same plan of salvation. They are all Christian...thus one path.

Unlike Mormons who changed both the nature of God and the plan of salvation. Christian organizations don’t recognize Mormons as Christian. There’s a few other organizations out there that Christians don’t claim like Jehovah Witnesses and Seventh Day Adventists that have changed one or both of the core doctrines of who God is and the plan of salvation.


15 posted on 02/05/2019 12:03:03 PM PST by DannyTN
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To: ebb tide

This is a good thing for folks who are Catholic no matter what it portends for the institution of the Roman Catholic Church.

It is a point in the relationship of common Catholic folks to the Popes that is like a citizenry seeing that their king is actually naked and not clothed in something beautiful.


16 posted on 02/05/2019 12:16:52 PM PST by Wuli
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To: ebb tide
Actually, Fraudcis, most religions are false and (donning asbestos suit) Judaism is, unfortunately, incomplete. I only wish the latter point were not so, but God would beg to differ. Tons of good people in any religion; even some good people in Islam. But that's where things lie.

So, to this Phony Pope:


17 posted on 02/05/2019 12:21:36 PM PST by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (Modern feminism: ALL MEN BAD!!!)
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To: I want the USA back; ebb tide
Cardinal Raymond ("Dubia") Burke said recently that what we're seeing among some Churchmen now, is not schism, but apostasy.

I haven't looked that up yet to get Burke's context.

However, Bergoglio's latest about God "willing" the false religions, is proof of apostasy practically by definition.

How do you deal with apostasy at the top?

On a different but related note: Canonist Nicholas Cafardi (whom I regard with a huge dollop of skepticism anyway, but moving right along)-- says that Pope Francis could not possibly abdicate the papacy --- it would be, Cafardi says, "impossible" for him to do so even if he wanted to --- because there is open pressure on him to do just that. (Say "Vigano").

Cafardi say that to licitly and validly abdicate, the pope must be acting as a free agent, uninfluenced by pressure of any kind.

If that were truly the case, it would be equally applicable to Pope Emeritus Benedict: it is not even possible for him to have abdicated. There was relentless pressure on Benedict (thinking of "Vati-Leaks", the Sankt Gallen Mafia, and other skulduggery) and that in itself would vitiate his power to step down.

Yes? No? Cafardi is full of it? Or what?

18 posted on 02/05/2019 12:25:17 PM PST by Mrs. Don-o ("Make everything as simple as possible, but not simpler." - Albert Einstein)
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To: House Atreides

He is not only an anti-pope, he is very much anti-Christ. He denies that Jesus is the one and only way. If all a person has to do is meditate and try to be nice, then it was utter nonsense for Jesus to allow Himself to be tortured then crucified.
Note I did not say the anti-Christ.


19 posted on 02/05/2019 12:29:54 PM PST by all the best
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To: DannyTN

You are certainly doing a better job of articulating actual Catholic theology than the Pope seems to be (my opinion, but I do teach Catholic Theology for a living).

The only thing I would add to what you say is that how Jesus acts is mysterious, and while we need to do our best to cooperate with him, what is other people’s best is not really our business to judge.


20 posted on 02/05/2019 2:22:17 PM PST by Hieronymus ((It is terrible to contemplate how few politicians are hanged. --G. K. Chesterton))
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