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False; it is not random; it is purposeful and determinate.

That’s just your opinion bro. Obviously, I do not agree with it. To me, most (not all) the verses you post, as AMPU says, are usually misunderstood, misinterpreted, and taken out of context.

There are two aspects to this,
1. one where the spiritual and natural man are part of a person with a circumcised heart and struggles daily to overcome temptation and sin.
2. The other is where only the natural man is found.

I disagree with your theology, AGAIN bro. There is only ONE aspect to it. The spiritual man, is saved, and born again, and has assurance of salvation. The natural man is unsaved, not born again, on his way to Hell, and has NO assurance of salvation. Until a man becomes born again, and then becomes a spiritual man, he is automatically an unsaved, unspiritual, non understanding, natural man. The two are not related, and neither are the verses you generated.
Now that you know, that I think your theology is flawed, it should motivate you to figure out why, like maybe your theology, really IS flawed. Remember, I have assurance of salvation. 👍 I don’t know if you do, or not, but it really isn’t my problem. It’s yours. 🤣

That’s just your opinion bro. Obviously, I do not agree with it. To me, most (not all) the verses you post, as AMPU says, are usually misunderstood, misinterpreted, and taken out of context.

Except that is not what was written in posts calling it "random verse generation." Since the one posting knows the facts about the generation, and the reader does not, the facts are that the posting of the scripture has definite plan and purpose, and is not chosen at random. That the reader can be blind to this fact, willfully or inadvertently suggests other causes for that poor judgment, which would be then be an opinion.

When people claim to be spiritual, and are wrong about physical things, it discounts their testimony about spiritual things.

I disagree with your theology, AGAIN bro. There is only ONE aspect to it. The spiritual man, is saved, and born again, and has assurance of salvation. The natural man is unsaved, not born again, on his way to Hell, and has NO assurance of salvation. Until a man becomes born again, and then becomes a spiritual man, he is automatically an unsaved, unspiritual, non understanding, natural man. The two are not related, and neither are the verses you generated.

Post 207 lists 2 aspects,
"1. one where the spiritual and natural man are part of a person with a circumcised heart and struggles daily to overcome temptation and sin.
2. The other is where only the natural man is found."

As for number 2, that does represent the state of man who cannot know the things of God. However, the first aspect is different. The man can know the things of God but chooses to serve the flesh (Protestants may break this into three men, natural, spiritual, carnal; for these purposes I use natural and spiritual).

Ephesians demonstrated this, and here Romans gives it a different perspective.

I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with me.
For I delight in the law of God after the inward man:
But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members.
O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death?
I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.

Romans, Catholic chapter seven, Protestant verses twenty one to twenty five,
as authorized, but not authored, by King James

Now that you know, that I think your theology is flawed, it should motivate you to figure out why, like maybe your theology, really IS flawed. Remember, I have assurance of salvation. 👍 I don’t know if you do, or not, but it really isn’t my problem. It’s yours.

It is my opinion that constantly claiming to have assurance of salvation suggests something else. There are things that offer an assurance of salvation, as listed by the Apostle Peter.

Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust.
And beside this, giving all diligence, add to your faith virtue; and to virtue knowledge;
And to knowledge temperance; and to temperance patience; and to patience godliness;
And to godliness brotherly kindness; and to brotherly kindness charity.
For if these things be in you, and abound, they make you that ye shall neither be barren nor unfruitful in the knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ.
But he that lacketh these things is blind, and cannot see afar off, and hath forgotten that he was purged from his old sins.
Wherefore the rather, brethren, give diligence to make your calling and election sure: for if ye do these things, ye shall never fall:
For so an entrance shall be ministered unto you abundantly into the everlasting kingdom of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ.

Second Peter, Catholic chapter one, Protestant verses four to eleven,
as authorized, but not authored, by King James