Posted on 12/24/2018 8:22:14 AM PST by SeekAndFind
>> And if suicide is a sin and sin is actually one of desire then is “just let me die” also a sin? Elijah was not reproved for it. <<
1) There is a difference in allowing God to take your life and taking your own life. Being willing to die may be a great virtue; suicide is murder*.
2) Sexual lust, a sin of desire, is listed separately in the ten commandments, but it’s an exception because, no, temptation towards sin is not sin itself. Deliberately inflaming your lust is what makes it sinful.
3) Elijah, not knowing Christ, could not despair of Christ.
*Suicide is murder: suicide is a grave sin. But there must be three elements to a MORTAL sin: It must be grave, but its gravity must be known and it must be willingly committed despite that knowledge. Mental illness underlies much suicide, and is an impediment to free will. Thus, it’s very plausible that any given person who commits suicide does not commit mortal sin.
Thanks for being about the only person to respond with an actual Biblical response on this thread. Between the paranormal and other psycho babble nonsense posted, I was about to get dizzy.
Christ holds the keys to death and hades. He conquered both and only He decides who goes where according to their answering of who people say He is. Merit, deeds, intent, status and anything else done in this life will turn to ashes.
John 6:29; Acts 16:31
Amen sister!
Wish people would let Jesus Save!
Alcoholism is a sin, not a disease. Mental illness is a disease not a sin. A mentally ill man is not committing a sin if his mental illness leads him to taking his own life.
Your religion or another. Right or wrong. Nobody, well maybe one, has come back to tell us about the other side.
The one thing you can be certain of is that you are here. Thinking, feeling, being, hurting, finding ecstasy or despair somewhere, how ever, somehow. You have life, it is your choice, will you take advantage of what you do absolutely know. You are here.
Almost without regard to circumstance your life can be heaven or hell. I had heaven but chose hell. So I speak from experience and lessons learned.
I write only that even one person might be saved (hackneyed hyperbole - copyright 2018 if I just coined a new term - not searching on it - Goo--gle would steal it ;-)
BTW: I coined "Life is good" but didn't copyright it. So now its not. ;-)
A good start is just to forget about yourself, draw on the person you're with or you interact with.
They have a lifetime of experiences that make them who they are at the very moment you interact with them.
Because life is not a bowl of cherries, the person you are with in that moment, very likely a collection of unknown perspectives given their immediate state of mind.
Reach out, all you have to do is ask them how they're doing.
Listen.
They'll tell you. You will learn. Your life will be enriched. There are some people you do not want to interact with. Use good judgment.
Synopsis: Enjoy life, Its the only thing you're certain you have.
Merry Christmas.
PS: if you're smart you'll cover your bases and be good to all and if GOD is paying attention you're good to go - to heaven .
Better question is to ask:, Does a person who commits suicide exercise faith in Christ in the execution of that act?
The consequences of sin is death. Same might be said for any sin, including driving 22mph in a 20 mph school zone. If a person speeds accidentally through the school zone, and dies from a heart attack, is his sin forgiven?
Please also note, nobody in Revelation is mentioned as being condemned to Hades for their personal sin. Rather, ALL sin was paid for by Christ at the Cross. Sin was already judged.
The issue is forgiveness.
Condemnation precedes salvation.
All humans are condemned prior to salvation. Our sin prior to death is no longer the issue. The issue is our facing God, confessing our sins to Him thru faith in what Christ provided in that judgment at the Cross, and then God is free to forgive us those sins.
We all will one day stand before the throne of judgment.
Agreed. I will also add his grace is immeasurable.
As a survivor of late stage cancer in my 30s, I wonder about that very question. It would be very hard to go through all that again. I pray when the time comes that god takes me fast.
Congratulations on your survival. Live every day like it is bonus time huh?
Yes I do. Im grateful fo the extra 10 years and counting.
If Jesus committed suicide because he neglected to resist, then so did Peter, Paul, James, Stephen, and the remaining apostles other than John, etc., etc., etc. Perhaps, only the thief on the cross was in Paradise since Jesus would have to be in Hell. However, Jesus told the thief that he would be with Jesus in Paradise that night.
The characteristic of no resistance dominates through the New Testament. The sword, itself, symbolizes resistance and the vanquishing of the enemy. The weapon of a Christian, the sword of the Spirit, is the Word and the preaching of the Word. See the symbolism in Revelation where the sword is protruding from the mouth.
I hope and pray you don’t have a reoccurrence of it.
“...they spend X amount of time in torment paying for their crime...”
So the question is: “Can one come from there (Hell) to here (Heaven) after a period of time?” Probably not, if you believe the story of the rich man and Lazarus.
We also have the example of King Saul. :)
1 Samuel 31:4 - Then said Saul unto his armourbearer, Draw thy sword, and thrust me through therewith; lest these uncircumcised come and thrust me through, and abuse me. But his armourbearer would not; for he was sore afraid. Therefore Saul took a sword, and fell upon it.
But then we see in 1 Chronicles the following:
1 Chronicles 10:14 And enquired not of the LORD: therefore he slew him, and turned the kingdom unto David the son of Jesse.
However, when Saul had him conjured up, Samuel told Saul that tomorrow Saul and his sons would be with him (1 Samuel 28:19).
So, God killed Saul for his disobedience via “suicide” but didn’t condemn him to hell for it.
Only the sin of unbelief is unforgivable.
You CAN believe it, my FRiend! He tells us in His word:
The Prophet Jeremiah knew what it meant to be despondent and hopeless, yet...
I will be praying for you that you are reminded of His everlasting love and your hope in Him is renewed. :o)
No.
......” Does, once saved, always saved, mean, well..., EXCEPTING SUICIDE?”.......
No....Because ...”Whoever has the Son has life; whoever does not have the Son of God does not have life. I have written these things to you who believe in the name of the Son of God, so that you may ‘KNOW’ that you have eternal life.”...1 John 5:12,13
The security of the believer in Christ Jesus is a ‘sealed’ deal. In biblical times, a seal was ‘a guarantee’..for...
....”In him you also, when you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation, and believed in him, were ‘sealed’ with the promised Holy Spirit, who is ‘the guarantee’ of our inheritance until we acquire possession of it, to the praise of his glory.” Ephesians 1:13-14
The seal of the Holy Spirit takes place at the point of salvation. It is a promise or guarantee of the Christian’s future, eternal inheritance with Jesus Christ...In a very real sense, God’s Spirit protects us and guarantees our eternity with the Lord.
The body doesn't need food or water when the soul is preparing to leave the body. It is quite natural to not desire food as the body knows in and of itself.
Just as when one is ill they don't feel like eating their appetite diminishes. They eat soft or liquid food at those times. So all the less when ones soul is preparing to leave this world. The body does not need food.
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