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Rome's Revision of the Lord's Prayer and the Coming Hour of Testing
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| 12-17-2-18
| Jeff
Posted on 12/18/2018 6:55:36 AM PST by amessenger4god
If you regularly check the headlines, then you may have read about the Vatican's efforts to revise a particular verse in what is commonly called "The Lord's Prayer." Led by Pope Francis, Rome wants to change the wording of a long-standing translation that has brought a mixture of comfort and confusion to many.
The verse in question can be found in Matthew 6:13 and Luke 11:4, and in the eyes of the Pope and the leaders of the Roman Catholic institution, they believe that "lead us not into temptation" should be reworded to something like "abandon us not when in temptation." While the Vatican has taken significant time to study ancient versions and do the proper leg work, the faithful student of God's word should wisely question the purpose and validity of this enterprise.
And for those of us who have studied history, how could we forget the unjust power plays from the Popes of Christmas past? When the majority of Christendom doesn't know their right from their left when it comes to the Bible, should we just leave this one up to the self-appointed experts of Rome to solve this translational and interpretative puzzle?
By no means should we follow Rome's lead, or even shrug our shoulders like the rest of the undiscerning world. Instead, let's apply our minds (the mind of Christ; cf. 1 Cor. 2:14-15) and use the tools available to the true body of Christ in order to separate the wheat from the chaff in this translation controversy.
For starters: What does the text actually say in the earliest surviving Greek manuscripts? Next thought: We should understand that even a literal, word-for-word translation requires some interpretation on the part of the translator. There is a wide semantic range for many words and phrases written in the ancient biblical languages and the variety of English versions attests to this fact. Consequently, the answer is not as simple as what does the Greek say. We must also consider the context of the chapter and book in order to gain a biblically-informed understanding of the inspired author's intent.
My aim, however, is not to get into the theory of translation or interpretation right now, so I strongly invite you to read this well-written and thorough blog post authored by Dr. Daniel Wallace, a senior Greek professor at Dallas Theological Seminary, entitled "Pope Francis, The Lord's Prayer, and Bible Translation." He addressed this controversy a year ago when the Vatican first announced their plans to alter the Lord's Prayer.
In this post I want to challenge a particular conclusion reached in one of many news outlets reporting on this issue. Michael Dorstewitz, writing for Newsmax, provides an objective piece for the most part, offering several quotes from both Catholic and Protestant leaders. However, the objectivity abruptly ends with this crude summarization:
...in the meantime, the message for all the detractors should be: No, Pope Francis is not rewriting the word of God" (see, "Pope Francis Calls for Change to 'Lord's Prayer' and Critics Go Mad").
Mr. Dorstewitz's reply is a great example of an all-too-common attitude in our time: What's the big deal, so what? Let the Pope change a word or two in order to smooth out a difficult translation and bring unity among Christians. What's all the fuss about, and why is this news anyway? Nothing to see here, move along.
Well, I beg to differ, because this isn't the first controversial thing the current Pope has said or donethe leader of the Roman Catholic Church has been rocking the boat and helping to pave the way for a one-world religion ever since he was appointed back in 2013 (for specifics, see Gary's post, "The Wolf").
So, on the contrary, Mr. Dorstewitz, Pope Francis is trying to rewrite (re-word, re-interpret) the word of God. Though well-intentioned or not, the Roman Catholic Church is not only twisting the Scripture but also fulfilling end-times prophecy. And there is a tragic irony in the specific verse the Vatican is seeking to emend that relates to Catholics and the coming Tribulation.
...if the blind lead the blind, both will fall into a pit" (Matthew 15:14, ESV).
What Say You, Matthew?
Matthew and Luke are the only biblical authors to record the content of Jesus' model prayer to the disciples known throughout the world as "The Lord's Prayer." Luke appears to have a more condensed version, and so, for the sake of clarity and convenience, we will stick with Matthew's gospel for our purposes here.
When you survey the English versions for Matthew 6:13, you will discover that virtually everyone follows the lead of the KJV and translates the Greek word peraismos as "temptation." However, when you look up the word in most Bible lexicons or dictionaries, you'll find that there is a broad range of meaning available.
For example, I have found three primary definitions in the semantic range for peraismos, Strong's 3986:
(1) Trial
(2) Testing
(3) Temptation
As you can see, these words in isolation evoke different imagery even though they are synonymous. Context, as always, is important in order to narrow down which definition in the semantic range is appropriate for any given verse. Therefore, it is possible that some of the confusion surrounding Matthew 6:13 could be resolved if more Christians understood that the ideas of "testing" and "trial" are legitimate English translations for peraismos.
Nevertheless, some will still confuse this verse in the Lord's Prayer with James 1:13. On this alleged contradiction please refer to Dr. Wallace's article linked above. When peraismos is used with God or Satan as the subject, Dr. Wallace makes an important theological point of distinction, "God tests; Satan tempts."
But the Pope along with many others will object, "God would never lead or bring anyone into temptation, that's the Devil's job." Oh, really? So God would never lead, bring, or send someone to be peraismoed [tested, tried, tempted, etc.]? Well, as it turns out, we don't have to go very far to answer that rebuttal. Just turn back a couple of pages to chapter 4:
Then Jesus was led up by the Spirit into the wilderness to be tempted [Grk. peraismos] by the Devil..." (Matthew 4:1, HCSB).
And, there you have it: Led up by the Spirit...of God. It was God who led Jesus into the desert to be tempted. Now, if you can accept that God led Jesus into temptation, or to be tempted, then how does this affect our interpretation of the controversial verse in the Lord's Prayer?
To further clarify this crucial literary connection within Matthew's gospel, here is Dr. Wallace's brief comment on Matthew 6:13 found in one of his Greek textbooks:
Although the KJV renders [Matt. 6:13] 'deliver us from evil,' the presence of the article indicates not evil in general, but the evil one himself. In the context of Matthew's Gospel, such deliverance from the devil seems to be linked to Jesus' temptation in 4:1-10: Because the Spirit led him into temptation by the evil one, believers now participate in his victory" (in Greek Grammar Beyond the Basics, pg. 233).
And it's little wonder why many Christians, or so-called Christians, misunderstand this verse in the Lord's Prayer. The reason is they are confused about the very gospel itself. To conclude, here are some of Dr. Wallace's most powerful statements in his response to the Pope Francis debacle:
...the temptation that the Lord faced was the ultimate temptationthe offer of the entire world on a platter. Jesus can ask the disciples to pray that the Father would not lead them into temptation and that God would deliver them from the evil one precisely because Jesus himself faced the ultimate temptation by the evil one...[i]t is precisely because of Jesus' substitutionary death and life that this prayer can be recited today by Christians with the full assurance that God will answer us. Pope Francis's translation, however, subverts all this...[t]he original text speaks clearly of God leading, not permitting. To tamper with the wording misses the connection with the Lord's temptation."
Now then. I've shown you how Pope Francis and his cohorts at the Vatican are twisting the Scripture and thereby polluting the waters of the true gospel once again. They are the blind leading the blind. But how is the pontiff also fulfilling end-times prophecy by this latest move?
The Final Exam
The terrible irony in all of this mistranslation mess is the fact that the leader of the largest group of Christians worldwide has no clue that the LORD will not only lead him and the rest of the non-born-again Catholics into temptation, Jesus says most explicitly that He will throw them into the ultimate time of testingthe Tribulation:
Indeed I will cast her into a sickbed, and those who commit adultery with her into great tribulation, unless they repent of their deeds. I will kill her children with death..." (Revelation 2:22-23, NKJV).
Do you see the irony in all of this?!
The Pope wants to alter Matthew 6:13 and Luke 11:4 and absolve God from leading anyone into testing or temptation. However, truth be told, the Lord Jesus doesn't simply lead the Roman church into the Tribulation like a shepherd gently guiding his sheep to green pasture, He throws them into the Trib like a diseased sack of potatoes going into a burning trash heap.
Yikes.
But please note: For all who are willing to examine the Scriptures for themselves and follow the lead of the Holy Spirit, even if you identify as a former or current Roman Catholic, there is still hope for exemption from the Final Exam. There is still time...but it is quickly running out.
Look, the first and last uses of the Greek noun peraismos in the New Testament are book-ended by Matthew 6:13 and a shockingly relevant verse in the book of Revelation:
Because you have kept the word of My perseverance, I also will keep you from the hour of testing [Grk. peraismos], that hour which is about to come upon the whole world to test those who dwell on the earth" (Revelation 3:10, NASB).
Therefore, you must hear what the Spirit is saying (Rev. 2:29; 3:13) and believe the one and only true gospel of salvation. It's under heavy attack right now and has been for many centuries. But now that we are nearing the day of the Final Exam, you must examine your beliefs and find out whether or not you are trusting in Christ alone and His finished work alone (Heb. 10:10-13; Rev. 2:26, emphasis "My works").
If you are trusting in the once-and-for-all atoning sacrifice of Jesus, then you are exempt from the Final Exam according to the correct translation and interpretation of Matthew 6:13 and Revelation 3:10. Rest assured, the LORD will not lead the true body of Christ into the testing period of the Tribulation. We will all be led in another directionup, up, and away!
After this I looked, and there in heaven was an open door. The first voice [Jesus] that I had heard speaking to me like a trumpet said, 'Come up here..." (Revelation 4:1, HCSB).
TOPICS: Apologetics; Catholic; Evangelical Christian; Theology
KEYWORDS: bible; life; prophecy; temptation
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To: ealgeone
Turns out, you were the one that cant read. In all the Bible study you have done - both you and the author this piece missed out on the meaning of the word Christian.
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posted on
12/18/2018 1:41:38 PM PST
by
Chainmail
(A simple rule of life: if you can be blamed, you're responsible.)
To: Chainmail
Turns out, you were the one that cant read. In all the Bible study you have done - both you and the author this piece missed out on the meaning of the word Christian.You started this mess, junior. You might want to sit down.
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posted on
12/18/2018 4:11:02 PM PST
by
ealgeone
(SCRIPTURE DOES NOT CHANGE! However, Roman Catholicism has, does, and will change.)
To: ealgeone
Good luck making me, junior.
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posted on
12/18/2018 4:25:00 PM PST
by
Chainmail
(A simple rule of life: if you can be blamed, you're responsible.)
To: Chainmail
Shouldn't be too hard to do. You committed the blunder that started this little chat.
As I said before...deal with it.
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posted on
12/18/2018 4:30:41 PM PST
by
ealgeone
(SCRIPTURE DOES NOT CHANGE! However, Roman Catholicism has, does, and will change.)
To: ealgeone
1. The original post post was the first blunder; your response to me was the second.
2. Don’t start fights that you haven’t the ability to finish.
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posted on
12/18/2018 4:53:56 PM PST
by
Chainmail
(A simple rule of life: if you can be blamed, you're responsible.)
To: Chainmail
1. The original post post was the first blunder; your response to me was the second. Dude:
Your post which started all of this.
To: amessenger4god
Blowhard.
One small correction: the Pope is not self appointed but the author of this piece is.
2 posted on 12/18/2018, 10:01:15 AM by Chainmail (A simple rule of life: if you can be blamed, you're responsible.)
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Now compare that to the original article.
>>When the majority of Christendom doesn't know their right from their left when it comes to the Bible, should we just leave this one up to the self-appointed experts of Rome to solve this translational and interpretative puzzle?<<
I don't see anything in there that says what you claim..".....the Pope is not self appointed but the author of this piece is."
If you can't see the difference....and it's clear you can't, I really don't have the time to explain it to you.,
Now.
Sit.
Down.
You're embarrassing yourself if you continue.
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posted on
12/18/2018 5:11:20 PM PST
by
ealgeone
(SCRIPTURE DOES NOT CHANGE! However, Roman Catholicism has, does, and will change.)
To: ealgeone; edwinland
"And for those of us who have studied history, how could we forget the unjust power plays from the Popes of Christmas past? When the majority of Christendom doesn't know their right from their left when it comes to the Bible, should we just leave this one up to the self-appointed experts of Rome to solve this translational and interpretative puzzle?"As pointed out earlier by edwinland, this is the text within the post that was referred to. The author of that piece was both mistaken AND self-appointed, right?
I'll assume that English is your first language, so you should recognize that the author is referring to the pope as the "self-appointed expert of Rome", shouldn't you?
You decided that you were going to go after me and my Catholic faith and refer to me as "junior".
Let's talk about who should be embarrassed.
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posted on
12/18/2018 5:51:08 PM PST
by
Chainmail
(A simple rule of life: if you can be blamed, you're responsible.)
To: Chainmail
Yep...it was easy pickings.
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posted on
12/18/2018 5:57:43 PM PST
by
ealgeone
(SCRIPTURE DOES NOT CHANGE! However, Roman Catholicism has, does, and will change.)
To: Chainmail
I see your comprehension is not up to speed.
I don't have the time to try and explain it to you. It's there though if you look for it.
I'll leave it up to you to look for it.
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posted on
12/18/2018 6:03:21 PM PST
by
ealgeone
(SCRIPTURE DOES NOT CHANGE! However, Roman Catholicism has, does, and will change.)
To: ealgeone
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posted on
12/18/2018 6:08:19 PM PST
by
Salvation
("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
To: Chainmail
You might want to re-read....or read, what edwinland actually wrote.
Here's a hint....read. it. slowly.
BTW....you began the name calling in your first post calling the poster of this thread a "blowhard".
I've noticed that with a lot of you Roman Catholics...ya'll have a short temper and a very thin skin.
I've also noticed the Roman Catholic is usually, though not always, the first to resort to a personal attack, in your case "blowhard", and or profanity.
I'll add another observation....when called on this the Roman Catholic continues to double down on their antics.
I guess the the nuns must have worked ya'll over as kids.
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posted on
12/18/2018 6:12:28 PM PST
by
ealgeone
(SCRIPTURE DOES NOT CHANGE! However, Roman Catholicism has, does, and will change.)
Comment #32 Removed by Moderator
To: ealgeone; Jim Robinson
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posted on
12/18/2018 6:19:52 PM PST
by
Salvation
("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
To: Mears
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posted on
12/18/2018 6:20:47 PM PST
by
Mears
To: Salvation; Jim Robinson; Religion Moderator
I fail to see a "personal attack". I quote straight from the religionmoderator's page (perhaps you should read it). I highlighted the key part for you:
Posters may argue for or against beliefs, deities, religious authorities, etc. They may tear down others beliefs. They may ridicule. Open RF debate is often contentious.
It requires thick skin. A poster must be able to make his points while standing his ground, suffering adverse remarks about his beliefs - or letting them roll off his back.
Members of religions which are as much culture as belief sometimes take religious debate personally.
If you keep getting your feelings hurt because other posters ridicule or disapprove or hate what you hold dear, then you are too thin-skinned to be involved in open RF debate.
You should IGNORE open RF threads altogether and instead post to RF threads labeled prayer devotional caucus or ecumenical.
******************
My comment to you..... If these threads are too much for you, perhaps you should stay on the caucus threads where about two people may comment on your threads......I believe falls right in line with these guidelines.
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posted on
12/18/2018 6:25:46 PM PST
by
ealgeone
(SCRIPTURE DOES NOT CHANGE! However, Roman Catholicism has, does, and will change.)
To: ealgeone
Do not go out of your way to attack or ridicule anyone on FR, anywhere on FR.
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posted on
12/18/2018 6:37:41 PM PST
by
Jim Robinson
(Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God!)
To: Jim Robinson
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posted on
12/18/2018 6:39:00 PM PST
by
ealgeone
(SCRIPTURE DOES NOT CHANGE! However, Roman Catholicism has, does, and will change.)
To: edwinland; EagleOne
Rome has self appointed herself as the only true church, the only church capable of interpreting scripture, and possessing a body of mystical knowledge equivalent to if not superior to scripture. I agree with the self appointed part.
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posted on
12/18/2018 6:40:02 PM PST
by
Mom MD
( .)
To: Salvation; EagleOne
Not everyone that disagrees with you is a troll.
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posted on
12/18/2018 6:41:36 PM PST
by
Mom MD
( .)
To: Mom MD
Heb_10:16 “This is the new covenant I will make with My people on that day, says the LORD: I will put My laws in their hearts, and I will write them on their minds.”
They didn’t read the part about God tearing the curtain in the temple, destroying the temple and replacing the sacrificial system. The RC rebuilt everything that God destroyed.
God says the new covenant is a direct relationship through the Holy Spirit.
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posted on
12/18/2018 6:44:18 PM PST
by
PeterPrinciple
(Thinking Caps are no longer being issued but there must be a warehouse full of them somewhere.)
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