Posted on 11/19/2018 7:43:58 AM PST by Salvation
In Revelation the one who overcomes is the one who has accepted Christ as their Savior.
Where?
I remember reading my mom's books about Fatima and when I got to the parts about praying to her, devotions to her, rosaries to her, trusting in her to deliver from Purgatory, etc., it was pretty plain that this was NOT the real Mary.
When I had a work assignment in Portugal, my mom visited with me and we went to Fatima one day at her request. There was just this heavy, dark presence I felt the whole time especially seeing the poor Gypsies begging, the shops selling all manner of statues, candles, books, rosaries, etc., the people crawling on bloody knees across the expanse of cement to the church and the smell of candles and incense all lit to glorify Mary with hardly a mention of Jesus Christ, I did not sense the presence of Almighty God at all. I came away convinced it was just another hoax foisted on gullible people yearning for something tangible from God instead of simple faith. I have NO desire to go back there! Portugal? Absolutely! It's a beautiful country, but Fatima? NO WAY!
Where?
Sorry....in the passage you posted from Revelation it discusses the one who overcomes....that person is the one who has accepted Christ as Savior.
Who is the one who overcomes the world, but he who believes that Jesus is the Son of God? 1 John 5:5 NASB
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What about this one?
Based on what I read in Romans it’s at the moment of confession.
Which one?
Based on what I read in Romans it’s at the moment of confession.
The first sentence.
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To: Elsie Based on what I read in Romans it's at the moment of confession. In Revelation the one who overcomes is the one who has accepted Christ as their Savior. |
10for with the heart a person believes, resulting in righteousness, and with the mouth he confesses, resulting in salvation.
11For the Scripture says, “WHOEVER BELIEVES IN HIM WILL NOT BE DISAPPOINTED.”
12For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek; for the same Lord is Lord of all, abounding in riches for all who call on Him;
13for “WHOEVER WILL CALL ON THE NAME OF THE LORD WILL BE SAVED.”
Romans 10:9-13 NASB
7 Problems With the Roman Catholic Mary by Jordan Standridge
About 10 years ago I was walking around the Duomo of Milan and these ladies captured my attention as they were staring at this stained glass picture of Mary. Being spotted by one of the ladies she quickly came to me to hand me a rosary. As she tried to convince me to take it, I said that I only needed to pray to God and that I would not pray to Mary, her shock quickly turned to anger and she said “may Mary whip you with the seven whips of Satan!” As I booked it out of there I was wondering to myself first of all, why is Mary working with Satan? But second of all and more importantly, how in the world do you get to that point where one talks to Mary more than God?
“Since we are now more than a year into Revelation Chapter 12, it seems prudent to put aside any nit-picking about the identity of some of the characters and focus on the part about “hold fast to what you were taught when you first believed.”
Well that totally explains why most rc’s depend on a pope and catechism to tell them what to believe instead of Holy Scripture.
If you don’t determine who’s who in any book of Scripture you can understand the history or prophecy of the Bible.
In Revelation 2 we see that the church of Thyatira has a Jezebel problem, but according to you the names don’t really matter.
Names do matter because the only church that goes into the tribulation period is the church of Thyatira. The only church that worships a female goddess is the rcc therefore we can see the Jezebel spirit in it’s perfect form.
It also proves that most of you rcc’s are right when you say that your church will make it to the end, but it’s not the end that you think it is.
As far as holding to what you are taught well then I guess Jehovas witness, Mormon, Islam, and all the rest are good to go is they just stick to what they are taught...
If you are taught wrong then you are still wrong from beginning to end that doens’t make you right or saved.
Proverbs 26:04
10for with the heart a person believes, resulting in righteousness, and with the mouth he confesses, resulting in salvation.
11For the Scripture says, “WHOEVER BELIEVES IN HIM WILL NOT BE DISAPPOINTED.”
12For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek; for the same Lord is Lord of all, abounding in riches for all who call on Him;
13for “WHOEVER WILL CALL ON THE NAME OF THE LORD WILL BE SAVED.”
Romans 10:9-13 NASB
WILL be, RESULTING in
Still; my question is WHEN.
The way I see it; it kinda like the Olympics. The fastest skier down the hill, should get the gold medal, but until he/she is on the platform, with the ribbon around his/her neck it's still iffy.
...books are opened...
Then there is verse 12:
Do you see a man who is wise in his own eyes?
There is more hope for a fool than for him.
“The way I see it; it kinda like the Olympics.”
I know you’re talking about the individual - and I would guess that it is when we first believed that we have won our victory.
“If you confess that Jesus is Lord and believe that God raised him from death, you will be saved. For it is by our faith that we are put right with God; it is by our confession that we are saved. (Romans 10:9-10)”
With regards to the “end times” and the final victory by God, our pastor was just saying how the Resurrection of Christ was like D-Day and the Germans. Once we had achieved victory at D-Day, EVERYONE (including Hitler) knew that Germany was defeated. Not that Hitler (or Satan) won’t throw everything he has against us until the final victory.
It's at that moment the Holy Spirit is received which seals the believer. I cannot find anywhere in the NT where the unbeliever is ever unsealed.
Revelation 3:5 He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels.
I know what you mean; but what I am trying to get at; thru all this back and forth; is what the Book actually says on the subject and NOT what we've been 'taught' or have learned.
Battling CaTHOLICS and their buffet table approach to putting 'doctrine' together has made me quite demanding on the PROVE IT side of the aisle.
Romans 8:37–39
No, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him who loved us. For I am sure that neither death nor life, nor angels nor rulers, nor things present nor things to come, nor powers, nor height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God in Christ Jesus our Lord.
Note that the “overcometh” in Revelation 3:5 is also translated as “conquers”. (And we are MORE than conquerors.) And I’m pretty sure that the statement “I will not blot out his name” implies that God could/would blot out a name. It is instead a promise - “I will not blot out his name.”
Oops - poor editing job. Add in the DOES NOT.
“And I’m pretty sure that the statement “I will not blot out his name” *DOES NOT* implies that God could/would blot out a name.”
Then; pray tell; what DOES it mean?
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