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To: ebb tide

Brilliant, brilliant. This is the best-expressed and least partisan - that is, not a “traddie” crowing about his own special isolated world - statement I have ever read. Kwasniewski sums up the entire problem, assigns blame where it is due but doesn’t dwell on it, and draws back the curtain to reveal that he has found the kidnapped True Church.

Yes, bring back the Old Mass and the old calendar and the old office - and I don’t care about the language, it can be in Latin, vernacular (great translations had already been done before VII) or a mixture of the two. But bring it back and the Faith that it expresses will burst forth again. And that’s precisely why the VII crowd in power now is so terrified of it.

Maybe Bergoglio’s attempt to destroy the Church, carrying out the project set into motion by VII, will ultimately bring back the true Church.


8 posted on 10/09/2018 5:06:14 PM PDT by livius
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To: livius
Yes, bring back the Old Mass and the old calendar and the old office - and I don’t care about the language, it can be in Latin, vernacular (great translations had already been done before VII) or a mixture of the two.

I care about the language; it should remain Latin. After the intentional mistranslation of the words of the Consecration of the Blood of Christ "pro multis" into "for all" rather the correct words, "for many", by some bishops conferences but not all of them, and being tolerated for decades, we should have learned our lesson by now.

9 posted on 10/09/2018 5:20:44 PM PDT by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome.)
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To: livius

“...vernacular...”

Definitely not a mixture the two! A hybrid mass does not work. The mass needs to said in Latin because the minute it goes into the vernacular the translators (on purpose) finesse the Latin to achieve a watered down version of the teachings and doctrine found in the original language.


22 posted on 10/10/2018 4:25:12 AM PDT by stonehouse01
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