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To: ebb tide
It was you who deflected from VC II to “traditional Catholicism”.

I "deflected" nothing. I pointed out the fact that Vatican II, and all its ills, had their genesis in the "Traditional Catholicism" of the XIX and early-mid XX Century.

Bashing Vatican II is easy. I'm challenging folks to look a little deeper. Ask yourself the unspeakable question: "Where did Vatican II come from?"

Do you actually suppose that a bunch of morally straight, orthodox, faithful "Traditional Catholics" showed up in Rome one fine October day in 1962, and proceeded to go stark raving mad? That's absurd!

They arrived with an agenda ... many with an evil agenda. The sodomites, heretics, and infidels who showed up with an evil agenda had all been raised, educated, and ordained in "Traditional Catholicism". What did "Traditional Catholicism" do with these men? It raised them to positions of influence, authority, and power.

Bugnini, whom you execrate, was an ARCHBISHOP. Montini, whom I think you also execrate, was an ARCHBISHOP. You can't just trash Vatican II, as much as it deserves trashing, without also raising some very pointed questions about the "Traditional Catholicism" which preceded it.

Vatican II did not happen in a vacuum.

44 posted on 10/10/2018 12:38:55 PM PDT by NorthMountain (... the right of the peopIe to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed)
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To: NorthMountain
Ask yourself the unspeakable question: "Where did Vatican II come from?"

I've already answered it: Modernism, the synthesis of all heresies; and its culmination is VC II and Jorge Bergoglio.

You are witnessing it now.

47 posted on 10/10/2018 12:44:31 PM PDT by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome.)
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To: NorthMountain

No, Vatican II did not have its genesis in Traditional Catholicism. It had genesis in heresy. Traditional Catholics (aka Catholics) are not the cause of Vatican II. You seem to be suggesting that because these men or their parents came from Traditional Catholicism that one can lay the fault of Vatican II at the feet of Traditional Catholicism. Hogwash.


59 posted on 10/10/2018 3:27:41 PM PDT by piusv
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