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[Catholic Caucus] RIP, Vatican II Catholicism (1962-2018)
One Peter Five ^ | October 9, 2018 | Peter Kwasniewski

Posted on 10/09/2018 4:09:28 PM PDT by ebb tide

RIP, Vatican II Catholicism (1962-2018)

Among astute observers of the Vatican scene – okay, forget that; among warm bodies with evidence of consciousness – it has been known for several years now that we cannot expect Pope Francis, who is a major cause of the problems the Church is suffering under, to be a major part of those problems’ solution. This includes anything to do with clerical sex abuse and the death grip of progressive prelates. Each passing month, we see that it’s business as usual for the Peronist pontiff.

But, as many writers have pointed out, this pontificate has been, in spite of all the evils, a tremendous gift of Divine Providence to us. Yes, we can truly say this. For Francis has brought to a clarity past any reasonable (or unreasonable) doubt, one might even say has amplified to fever pitch, the utter bankruptcy of “Vatican II Catholicism,” with its lightweight liturgy; its unserious opposition to the world, the flesh, and the devil; and its continual compromise with the reigning forces of liberalism.

Everyone knows what I am talking about. I was once one of those Talmudic scholars who attempted to square every circle in the sixteen documents of the Council. I praised their textual orthodoxy and lamented their neglect or distortion at the hands of hijackers. I knew that the loyal Catholic mentality always began its sentences “if only…”: “If only the new liturgy were properly celebrated…”; “If only the new catechism were widely taught…”; “If only people everywhere could just follow the lead of the great Polish pope” (and later, “the great German pope”).

That’s where I used to live. I have since moved on to a bigger and more beautiful dwelling called traditional Catholicism. I was tired of living in the newly built, supposedly more energy-efficient and environmentally sound but in reality flimsy, drafty, fluorescent, insect-infested, falling-apart building produced by the only ecumenical council that made no solemn definitions and issued no solemn condemnations. I came to see, thanks to detailed studies by such authors as Wiltgen, Davies, Amerio, Ferrara, de Mattei, and Sire, that the hijackers were not the ones after the Council, but the ones inside the Council who cleverly steered it toward the progressivism and modernism they secretly longed for, deliberately planting “time bombs” throughout the documents – ambiguous phrases that could be turned this way or that, and which were turned this way and that in the neverending turf war between liberals and “conservatives” of every stripe, at every level.

I came to see that the problem was the new liturgy – not just in the obviously bad manner in which it was being “celebrated” throughout the world, but in and of itself, in its official books, their texts, their rubrics. The new Catechism, too, in its diffuse verbosity and its glossing over difficult points like the headship of the husband in marriage, was not the magic solution; indeed, it was recently demoted to the status of reflecting pool for the reigning Narcissus, which gives it about as much value as an airplane interview. Above all, I came to see that “just following the pope” wheresoever he may go, on land or sea or sky, is not only not the solution, but a large part of the problem.

And what is that problem? The eclipse, in our times, of any coherent idea of what Catholicism is, has been, and will always be – the willed eclipse, since “men loved darkness rather than the light, for their works were evil” (Jn. 3:19).

The liturgy we were given by Paul VI, courtesy of Archbishop Bugnini and his all-star Consilium, is indeed a lightweight liturgy that cannot sustain the weight of God’s glory or meet the weighty needs of the human soul. Many know nothing else, and their plight reminds me of the black and white photos of long lines of people in Soviet Russia waiting for their crust of bread. This is not what the liturgy of the Church has offered to her people in ages past: it offered them a royal banquet, a king’s delight, a glimpse of heaven, fellowship with the saints and angels. I’m not saying preconciliar liturgy was always perfect, for we know it wasn’t, but the rites of the Church possessed in themselves the density and beauty that made a rich liturgical life always possible and frequently attainable.  Catholics today who have gone back to the traditional liturgy often come away with amazement: “They took that away from us?!” Yes, they did: this incomparable school of prayer, this inflexible staff to support our weakness, this comforting beauty to lure our earthbound souls into heaven – this was taken away, and those who did it knew exactly what they were doing, and why.

Earlier I spoke of “unserious opposition to the world, the flesh, and the devil.” This is the mark of postconciliar Catholicism. Oppose the world? No, we have to dialogue with it, understand it, sympathize with it, come to terms with it, make common cause with it, recycle its garbage and adopt its slogans. Out went all the ancient prayers of the Mass that spoke of spiritual warfare, the deceits of the evil one, the need for ascetical violence against our fallen nature. Everything was smoothed over in recognition of the goodness of everything and everyone (if only they knew it).

Heavy-duty exorcisms were stripped out of the baptismal rite, where they had been since apostolic times, because of the revealed truth that mankind after the Fall is under Satan’s princedom and the citizens of heaven have to be torn away from his influence. Days of fasting and abstinence were canceled out left and right; instead of renewing ancient tradition (as the talking heads claimed), it was ignored or shrugged off as superstitious. The only direction was downhill: dispensing, simplifying, abbreviating, abolishing.

As for self-control, the sexual morality of the Christian people worldwide, above all in the West, from which the conciliar documents and reforms emanated, is at an all-time nadir – not only because of the unforeseen intensity of the anti-authoritarian revolution of 1968, but even more because of a fundamental loss of faith in the salvific truth and liberating power of God’s commandments.

Today, in 2018, we are reaping the putrid fruits of this loss of faith, this lack of self-control, this stripping away of all asceticism and warfare from the Christian vision of life, this foolish optimism that rippled through the Church of the 1960s and begot the demon offspring of “Nietzschean Catholicism.” It has been a continual compromise with the reigning forces of liberalism, a chipping away at the demands of the Gospel, a suppression of hard truths and the love of God for His own sake and above all things. The end is nothing-worship—the nihilism concentrated in the unforgettable image of a priest, later a cardinal of the Holy Roman Church, abusing a boy who happened to be the first person he baptized two weeks after his ordination.

For a long time, I thought John Paul II and Benedict XVI were fighting the good fight against this revolutionary reinterpretation of Christianity, but after a few high-profile interreligious meetings, osculations of the Koran, book-length interviews with dialectical answers to every question, and other such indicators, I lost my enthusiasm for them as pastors, whatever I might have admired in their philosophical or theological writings (which, however you slice it, are not the primary job of a pope). It was a shock to the system to realize that these popes, though undoubtedly well intentioned, were swimming in a lake of Kool-Aid rather than the ocean of Tradition – the only difference being that they were strong enough to keep swimming and occasionally cry out to heaven for help, instead of drowning and sinking to the bottom like a millstone with a cardinal tied around its neck.

The last five years are not a sudden catastrophe that came from nowhere; they are the orange juice concentrate of the past fifty years, the last act in a tragedy that has been escalating to this point. Bergoglio is the distillation of all the worst tendencies in Roncalli, Montini, Wojtyła, and Ratzinger, without any of their redeeming qualities. Francis’s predecessors were conflicted and inconsistent progressives; he is a convicted modernist. Just as political conservatism is liberalism in slow motion, so postconciliar Catholicism is modernism in slow motion. The sooner people see this, the sooner they will reject the whole failed and torturous experiment of aggiornamento in favor of an unequivocal embrace of the Catholic Faith in its age-old and perennially youthful liturgy, its magnificently harmonious and comprehensive doctrine, its all-demanding, life-saving morals.

Let us not forget that John Paul II and Benedict XVI were both involved in the Assisi meetings; that they never questioned the rightness of the “razing of the bastions,” the “turn toward the world” and the embrace of modernity that was the hallmark of Vatican II; that they encouraged feminism with one hand [1] while trying to restrain it with the other; and that, above all, they appointed and promoted so many of the terrible bishops and cardinals under whom we are suffering today, as this chart shows:

Prelate Created Bishop By Created Cardinal By
Theodore McCarrick Paul VI John Paul II
Angelo Sodano Paul VI John Paul II
Tarcisio Bertone John Paul II John Paul II
Pietro Parolin Benedict XVI Francis
William Levada John Paul II Benedict XVI
Marc Ouellet John Paul II John Paul II
Lorenzo Baldisseri John Paul II Francis
Ilson de Jesus Montanari Francis
Leonardo Sandri John Paul II Benedict XVI
Fernando Filoni John Paul II Benedict XVI
Dominique Mamberti John Paul II Francis
Francesco Coccopalmerio John Paul II Benedict XVI
Giovanni Lajolo John Paul II Benedict XVI
Vincenzo Paglia John Paul II
Edwin O’Brien John Paul II Benedict XVI
Renato Raffaele Martino John Paul II John Paul II
Donald Wuerl John Paul II Benedict XVI
Paul Bootkoski John Paul II
John Myers John Paul II
Kevin Farrell John Paul II Francis
Seán O’Malley John Paul II Benedict XVI
Oscar Rodríguez Maradiaga John Paul II John Paul II
Blase Cupich John Paul II Francis
Joseph Tobin Benedict XVI Francis
Robert McElroy Benedict XVI
Edgar Peña Parra Benedict XVI
John Nienstedt John Paul II
Jorge Bergoglio John Paul II John Paul II

(Source: Unam Sanctam)

It is not all Francis’s fault; indeed, he is grimly reaping what they have sown, even while he is tearing down much of what they built. In the end, there are only two reasons we had a conclave of cardinals who voted for Bergoglio: Wojtyła and Ratzinger. More generally, they are the reason we have a worldwide episcopacy made up of a tiny minority of traditional bishops (by which I mean bishops who believe, preach, teach, and enforce the Catholic Faith as taught, inter alia, by the Council of Trent) and a huge majority of ferocious liberals, toothless conservatives, and pencil-pushing bureaucrats. If John Paul II had spent less time globetrotting and writing massive, dense, and now mostly forgotten encyclicals (with Veritatis Splendor as the glowing exception) and more time on his single most important duty, that of vetting and choosing bishops of proven doctrinal orthodoxy, moral probity, and commitment to the sacred liturgy, men without the slightest hint of liberalism or laxity, the Church might be in a dramatically different place today. The same could be said of the beloved but largely ineffectual professor-turned-pontiff Benedict XVI. That he had a retiring personality turned from a forgivable quirk into a nightmare on February 11, 2013.

These two popes also knew – as we now see in ever greater detail – about wicked behavior in high places and seldom took decisive and severe measures to uproot it. Bergoglio celebrates unnatural vice, and his predecessors tolerated it. Bergoglio shamelessly promotes those enemies of Catholicism whom his predecessors were too afraid to fight.

*          *          *

Can we say, at last, that practicing and believing Catholics generally have been awakened from their dogmatic slumber?

Would that it were so. Alas, the capacity of the human mind to ignore reality even when it is crashing around one’s head is all too real, and the capacity for ideology to blind the eye and deafen the ear is no less notorious. But for those with eyes open to seeing and ears open to hearing, the truth has emerged into broad daylight: the Catholic Faith as our forefathers believed and lived it, the Catholic Faith as a vast cloud of witnesses knew it and loved it, this Catholic Faith is something utterly different from what is being peddled by the Vatican today. What the new regime offers is ephemeral, fragile, and self-contradictory, held together only by force.

The alternative is equally clear: the complex but internally consistent religion taught by the Fathers and Doctors of the Church; savored by monks and mystics; authoritatively proclaimed by the great councils; unanimously codified in hundreds of catechisms; and, above all, luminously, exultantly embodied in the great liturgical rites of East and West, the common heritage of all orthodox Christians who worship the thrice-holy Trinity in an unbroken tradition.

This, this is Catholicism. Nothing else. Do not look for it where it cannot be found. Do not strain or break your neck trying to find a way to look at the novelties as if they were tradition, for it cannot be done. Do not strain the gnats while swallowing the camels. Hearken again to the one true Faith that missionized the globe in the Old Evangelization.

What will it take to free every last Catholic from the last illusions about the supposed “new springtime” of Vatican II? I do not know. It may be that only death will rescue some from the jealous clutches of the new paradigm, but there are certainly many signs that the charm – or perhaps more accurately, the mirage – is vanishing as many find their way back to the divine religion of Christ.

The Vatican II period that officially began in 1962 officially ended with l’affaire McCarrick and Viganògate in 2018. Fifty-six years of alternately riotous and lazy living gave heart disease to this human similitude of the Church, and it died from sudden cardiac arrest. Let us bury it in unconsecrated ground, with the fond wish that it may rest in the silence of the tomb and never rise.

 


[1] For example, by ensuring that the Catechism contained no reference to the headship of the husband, in spite of the fact that this is taught more frequently in the New Testament than many other doctrines of our faith, and by approving the use of female altar servers, and or by continuing the custom of female lectors at Mass, contrary to 2,000 years of universal tradition in churches of apostolic descent.


TOPICS: Catholic; Moral Issues; Theology; Worship
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To: NorthMountain

It was you who deflected from VC II to “traditional Catholicism”.

Once again, what are your thoughts on VC II? Is it “catholic”, traditional or otherwise?


41 posted on 10/10/2018 12:23:59 PM PDT by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome.)
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To: NorthMountain
The rot which exploded in Vatican II festered and suppurated in the "Traditional Catholicism" of the XIX and early-mid XX Centuries.

Will you fess up and admit that "modernism" is the cause of that rot? And VC II is a result of that "rot"?

42 posted on 10/10/2018 12:26:47 PM PDT by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome.)
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To: NorthMountain
If you want to stay on topic, don't go back five centuries. YOU brought up Pius V, not me.

Traditional Catholicism goes back twenty centuries. It was you first brought up "traditional catholicism" in your first post, #13.

VC II and the novus ordo are not "traditional catholicism".

43 posted on 10/10/2018 12:36:39 PM PDT by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome.)
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To: ebb tide
It was you who deflected from VC II to “traditional Catholicism”.

I "deflected" nothing. I pointed out the fact that Vatican II, and all its ills, had their genesis in the "Traditional Catholicism" of the XIX and early-mid XX Century.

Bashing Vatican II is easy. I'm challenging folks to look a little deeper. Ask yourself the unspeakable question: "Where did Vatican II come from?"

Do you actually suppose that a bunch of morally straight, orthodox, faithful "Traditional Catholics" showed up in Rome one fine October day in 1962, and proceeded to go stark raving mad? That's absurd!

They arrived with an agenda ... many with an evil agenda. The sodomites, heretics, and infidels who showed up with an evil agenda had all been raised, educated, and ordained in "Traditional Catholicism". What did "Traditional Catholicism" do with these men? It raised them to positions of influence, authority, and power.

Bugnini, whom you execrate, was an ARCHBISHOP. Montini, whom I think you also execrate, was an ARCHBISHOP. You can't just trash Vatican II, as much as it deserves trashing, without also raising some very pointed questions about the "Traditional Catholicism" which preceded it.

Vatican II did not happen in a vacuum.

44 posted on 10/10/2018 12:38:55 PM PDT by NorthMountain (... the right of the peopIe to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed)
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To: ebb tide
Will you fess up and admit that "modernism" is the cause of that rot?

Will you 'fess up and admit that "Traditional Catholicism" did not effectively deal with the rot? Will you 'fess up and admit that "Traditional Catholicism" elevated sodomites, heretics, and infidels to positions of power, influence, and authority?

Vatican II did not happen in a vacuum.

45 posted on 10/10/2018 12:41:01 PM PDT by NorthMountain (... the right of the peopIe to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed)
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To: ebb tide
It was you first brought up "traditional catholicism"

You're wrong, again.

The phrase "traditional Catholicism" appears very early in the original post. I didn't bring it up. The original post brought it up.

You did read the original post. Right?

46 posted on 10/10/2018 12:43:55 PM PDT by NorthMountain (... the right of the peopIe to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed)
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To: NorthMountain
Ask yourself the unspeakable question: "Where did Vatican II come from?"

I've already answered it: Modernism, the synthesis of all heresies; and its culmination is VC II and Jorge Bergoglio.

You are witnessing it now.

47 posted on 10/10/2018 12:44:31 PM PDT by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome.)
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To: NorthMountain
I'll only fess up that modernism caused the rot.

You do realize, I hope, that there were “traditional Catholic” modernists prior to the Council; and those same modernists hijacked said Council.

And do you know who are the opposite of modernists?

It's traditional catholics who renounce modernism.

49 posted on 10/10/2018 12:58:45 PM PDT by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome.)
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To: NorthMountain

I’ll be the first of to admit those errors exist:

VCII, Bugnini’s Mess, ecumenism, religious liberty, etc.

Care to name any errors prior to the Council?


50 posted on 10/10/2018 1:04:37 PM PDT by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome.)
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To: ebb tide

I believe that you’re not reading what I’m writing.


51 posted on 10/10/2018 1:06:36 PM PDT by NorthMountain (... the right of the peopIe to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed)
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To: NorthMountain
In what environment did Modernism grow?

In what environment did Arianism and Jainism grow?

In those former environments, Catholic popes battled those heresies.

52 posted on 10/10/2018 1:13:30 PM PDT by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome.)
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To: ebb tide
Care to name any errors prior to the Council?

ROFL!

There was "historical criticism" of the Sacred Scriptures, de Chardin's weird evolutionary beliefs, John Courtney Murray's indifferentism ...

Let's not forget the operational errors of covering for sodomites, and elevating sodomites, heretics, and infidels to positions of influence, authority, and power.

"Traditional Catholicism" raised, educated and ordained men like Bugnini and Montini, along with men like Chardin, Murray, Leonardo Boff, de Lubac ...

"Traditional Catholicism" ultimately created Vatican II, and sent sodomites, heretics, and infidels to run it. They arrived with an evil agenda, which they had developed during their many years in "Traditional Catholicism". "Traditional Catholicism" was utterly powerless to stop them; indeed "Traditional Catholicism" had provided men like them with cover for more than 100 years.

VATICAN II DID NOT HAPPEN IN A VACUUM.

53 posted on 10/10/2018 1:22:28 PM PDT by NorthMountain (... the right of the peopIe to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed)
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To: ebb tide
In those former environments, Catholic popes battled those heresies.

They EXCOMMUNICATED the heretics and infidels.

And there you go again, proving my point. You had to go back 1700 years ... Meanwhile, in the XIX and early to mid XX Centuries, "Traditional Catholicism" provide fertile ground for sodomites, heretics, and infidels to brew up their evil.

54 posted on 10/10/2018 1:26:16 PM PDT by NorthMountain (... the right of the peopIe to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed)
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To: NorthMountain

No, rather, St Athanasius was excommunicated by Pope Liberius.


55 posted on 10/10/2018 1:36:17 PM PDT by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome.)
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To: NorthMountain

What’s wrong with going back 2,000 years?

The Old Testament goes back even farther.

Do you, like Francis, think we have a god still full of surprises?


56 posted on 10/10/2018 1:39:16 PM PDT by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome.)
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To: ebb tide

1) That’s a gross oversimplification ...

2) It’s not relevant. We’re talking about Vatican II,


57 posted on 10/10/2018 2:49:45 PM PDT by NorthMountain (... the right of the peopIe to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed)
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To: ebb tide

Again, we’re talking about Vatican II ... which did not happen in a vacuum.


58 posted on 10/10/2018 2:50:31 PM PDT by NorthMountain (... the right of the peopIe to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed)
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To: NorthMountain

No, Vatican II did not have its genesis in Traditional Catholicism. It had genesis in heresy. Traditional Catholics (aka Catholics) are not the cause of Vatican II. You seem to be suggesting that because these men or their parents came from Traditional Catholicism that one can lay the fault of Vatican II at the feet of Traditional Catholicism. Hogwash.


59 posted on 10/10/2018 3:27:41 PM PDT by piusv
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To: piusv
No, I seem to be suggesting that "Traditional Catholicism" was the environment in which a great many sodomites, heretics, and infidels grew up, developed, and spread their errors ... ultimately producing Vatican II. "Traditional Catholicism" educated and formed these men; "Traditional Catholicism" ordained them; "Traditional Catholicism" raised them to positions of influence, authority and power. Even when "Traditional Catholicism" moved against a very few of them, it did so utterly without effect.

These facts are undeniable.

60 posted on 10/10/2018 3:34:14 PM PDT by NorthMountain (... the right of the peopIe to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed)
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