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To: SoFloFreeper
Here are two quotes/sources that point another direction.

Heresies have been with us from the Church’s beginning. They even have been started by Church leaders, who were then corrected by councils and popes. Fortunately, we have Christ’s promise that heresies will never prevail against the Church, for he told Peter, "You are Peter, and on this rock I will build my Church, and the gates of hell will not prevail against it" (Matt. 16:18). The Church is truly, in Paul’s words, "the pillar and foundation of the truth" (1 Tim. 3:15).

A long list of heresies

41 posted on 10/03/2018 8:45:24 AM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Salvation; metmom; boatbums; aMorePerfectUnion; daniel1212

Heresies have been with us from the Church’s beginning. They even have been started by Church leaders, who were then corrected by councils and popes. Fortunately, we have Christ’s promise that heresies will never prevail against the Church, for he told Peter, “You are Peter, and on this rock I will build my Church, and the gates of hell will not prevail against it” (Matt. 16:18). The Church is truly, in Paul’s words, “the pillar and foundation of the truth” (1 Tim. 3:15).

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So what you’re telling me is that the Roman church decides what truth is, not Scripture and not God. And then you quote Scripture, which you have refused to accept as truth in order to support your claims.

Do I have that right?


80 posted on 10/03/2018 11:27:32 AM PDT by Luircin
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To: Salvation
It's absurd to call the iconoclasts "heretics." Even if you think they were misinterpreting scripture, they weren't trying to pervert or corrupt it, which makes the comparison to Cathars or Nestorians inapt.

The idea of image (eikôn) is a biblical category — man made in the image of God, Christ the image of the invisible God. However, beyond this, everything is iconic for the Reformed. God has imprinted evidence of His own beauty and glory throughout creation. “The heavens declare the glory of God, and the sky above proclaims his handiwork” (Ps. 19:1–2).

What Calvinism did was to enable a this-worldly appreciation of beauty. By eliminating art and sculpture from church worship, it drove it into the world, placing the aesthetic in the context of general revelation, as the witness to God in the world rather than as the focus of the worship of God in the church. The result was the enormous flowering of creativity in post-Reformation culture, centering not on the supernatural realm of angels and demons, but on the world around reflecting the glory and beauty of God.

Graven Images?

82 posted on 10/03/2018 11:32:26 AM PDT by OddLane
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