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To: impactplayer; metmom; daniel1212; MHGinTN; Mark17
I agree - there was no “short cut” for Jesus, but He provides the ONLY path for us to obtain full justification before the Father.

That is Jesus' part. Our part is to accept the new status and begin to commit ourselves to the process of living the holy life, each one treading the path He has laid out.

Looking at the inscripturated command cited by Simon bar Jona:

1 Peter 1:15,16 AV:

15 But as he which hath called you is holy, so be ye holy in all manner of conversation; 16 Because it is written, BeG1096 ye holy; for I am holy.

Verse 16 in the Koine is:

διοτι γεγραπται αγιοι γενεσθεG1096 οτι εγω αγιος ειμι

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Strong's Number G1096

γίνομαι
ginomai
ghin'-om-ahee

Strong's Definition:
A prolonged and middle form of a primary verb; to cause to be (“gen” -erate), that is, (reflexively) to become (come into being), used with great latitude (literally, figuratively, intensively, etc.)

(As translated variously in the KJV): - arise, be assembled, be (come, -fall, -have self), be brought (to pass), (be) come (to pass), continue, be divided, be done, draw, be ended, fall, be finished, follow, be found, be fulfilled, + God forbid, grow, happen, have, be kept, be made, be married, be ordained to be, partake, pass, be performed, be published, require, seem, be showed, X soon as it was, sound, be taken, be turned, use, wax, will, would, be wrought.

Thayer's Definition:<=br> 1) to become, i.e. to come into existence, begin to be, receive being
2) to become, i.e. to come to pass, happen
. . 2a) of events
3) to arise, appear in history, come upon the stage
. . 3a) of men appearing in public
4) to be made, finished
. . 4a) of miracles, to be performed, wrought
5) to become, be made
Part of Speech: verb
A Related Word by Thayer’s/Strong’s Number: a prolongation and middle voice form of a primary verb
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In this passage "be" mans "become," and it is in the second aorist tense signifying that as one stands back and looks at the summation of one's existing condition, and in the middle voice it should be due to one's willful determination as a new creature (2 Cor. 5:17) under the guidance of the Holy Spirit (Eph. 5:18). This is not something done by God to a passive subject; but rather something the subject participates in willingly.

And this is a rehearsal of God's command to His People which stands written in His Word as being still in force and not modified (perfect tense in the Greek): Peter in the above is reiterating with emphasis what he has learned from his Master in the Sermon on the Mount:

"BeG2071 ye therefore perfectG5046, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect" (Mt. 5:48 AV).

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Notes:
G2071 Here εσεσθε = middle voice, indicative mode second person plural of ἔσομαι = future tense of the verb "to be"; has the sense of being imperative and volitional on the part of the ones being instructed
G5046 τέλειοι adjective in this context meaning spiritually mature, perfected in holy behavior

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Here, Jesus applies the OT Scriptures:

"For I am the LORD your God: ye shall therefore sanctify yourselves, and ye shall be holy; for I am holy: neither shall ye defile yourselves with any manner of creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth" (Lev. 11:44 AV; my underlining for emphasis).

"Speak unto all the congregation of the children of Israel, and say unto them, Ye shall be holy: for I the LORD your God am holy" (Lev. 19:2 AV)

. "Sanctify yourselves therefore, and be ye holy: for I am the LORD your God" (Lev 20:7 AV).

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What this means is that while the newly regenerated child of God is a spiritually immature babe in Christ, he/she is commanded to employ his/her newly acquired power over sin and self, and to volitionally participate in the process of sanctification, of becoming holy, through exercising his/her wholly committed saving trust in The Lord and Master, usually under discipleship conducted by a mature servant of God.

That is, given a reasonable opportunity to begin to show signs of a holy life, if there is no determination of the professed "believer" to participate in the ongoing sanctification that modifies his/her lifestyle, it is virtually certain that the individual must be treated as though he/she has never really been saved at all; and if necessary, be treated by the assembly of Christians as still effectively lost.

There is no salvation without a consequent engagement in personal sanctification following: these aspects of regenertion are inseparable:

"Whosoever is born of God doth not habituallycommit sin; for hisGod's seedsperma=the Word of God remaineth in himthe regenerated one: and he cannot habitually commitsin, because he isirrevocably born of God" (1 Jn 3:9 AV, wit my superscripted explanatory clarifications).

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The Roman Catholic is probably right, when he assesses the behavior of a non-Catholic (Protestant or otherwise) "believer" who claims to be saved, professes to be a Christian, but shows no sign of holiness and still lives the old depraved life; and concludes that this person under observation is not saved.

But when he assumes from this observation that the apostate's religion is false, and RCC is true, this is an untenable platform from which to criticize the body of doctrine or its preachers with which the false professer claims to be associated.

154 posted on 10/04/2018 10:24:36 AM PDT by imardmd1 (Fiat Lux)
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To: imardmd1

Very interesting discussion.
Two comments:

1) If anything is left that I MUST do for full justification before the Father, then Christs’ work was not enough - which I reject. We can never achieve Holiness, this is imputed upon us as a gift. And those who have been fully justified and are living with imputed Holiness respond with enthusiasm and joy!

2) What happens to those who do not exhibit the enthusiasm and joy which I would expect? NOT MY PROBLEM! To even guess is to pass judgement, which we have been clearly admonished not to do. I trust Jesus to know the sheep from the goats and to sort them accordingly. He knows His own.

Thanks!


157 posted on 10/04/2018 11:42:34 AM PDT by impactplayer
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