"Robert Bellarmine" was my confirmation name.
I hereby formally repent of that.
Of course, I repented of Romanism about 33 years ago....
Posted on 10/03/2018 7:21:05 AM PDT by SoFloFreeper
Let us begin with a church history exam question. Cardinal Robert Bellarmine (1542–1621) was a figure not to be taken lightly. He was Pope Clement VIII’s personal theologian and one of the most able figures in the Counter-Reformation movement within sixteenth-century Roman Catholicism. On one occasion, he wrote: “The greatest of all Protestant heresies is _______ .”
...How would you answer? What is the greatest of all Protestant heresies?
...What he wrote was: “The greatest of all Protestant heresies is assurance.”
A moment’s reflection explains why. If justification is not by faith alone, in Christ alone, by grace alone — if faith needs to be completed by works; if Christ’s work is somehow repeated; if grace is not free and sovereign, then something always needs to be done, to be “added” for final justification to be ours. That is exactly the problem. If final justification is dependent on something we have to complete it is not possible to enjoy assurance of salvation. For then, theologically, final justification is contingent and uncertain, and it is impossible for anyone (apart from special revelation, Rome conceded) to be sure of salvation. But if Christ has done everything, if justification is by grace, without contributory works; it is received by faith’s empty hands — then assurance, even “full assurance” is possible for every believer.
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Mayflower Madam.....I pray for the Catholic Freepers....that they may, one day, see that CHRIST is ENOUGH.... and put their hope in the Savor ‘alone’.
Blessings to all believers and seekers of Christ.
Have you found the scripture yet that is JESUS telling the mob what IS the will of the Father concerning being saved? It is there in John 6 and has nothing to do with the Eucharist.
Can you read the MIND OF GOD?... If so, answer for HIM!
That does not negate the security of the believer.
You syllogized, “Everyone stumbles, so everyone’s faith stumbles. Thus nobody has assurance.” Logic is not you friend, eh? Absurd but sneaky false syllogism.
HEAR HERE!
“True, but still God’s promises are true and dependable.”
Amen! This is so true!
I was addressing the above statement.
Of course all sin.
But come on, mass murderers?
It’s reLly a straw man argument.
Frankly, there is serious sinfulness both in scale and scope.
Really, yes, I need to pull out the Hitler reference. Does God really have grace to ignore all that behavior? Well, yes He does, but need He ignore it and let it slide because of grace?
I think one can only push God so far.
You haven’t read the item at all, have you?
Excellent point.
Sola Fide
Sola Christus
Sola Scriptura
Sola Deo Gloria
Martin Luther
That’s essentially correct.
Sanctification is becoming more and more Christ like as we walk out our salvation.
However, I would consider it more than some works.
Except a millstone.
Stumbling does not rob someone of their assurance because our right standing before God depends on HIM, not our works.
I hope He doesn’t.
A saved person who has the indwelling presence of the Holy Spirit is not going to be blaspheming Him.
OTOH I would be very careful if I were to have the audacity to believe what I might think places any limit on His Grace. Personally I would think we all could rest easier knowing Hitler was in Heaven.
"Robert Bellarmine" was my confirmation name.
I hereby formally repent of that.
Of course, I repented of Romanism about 33 years ago....
Heresies have been with us from the Church’s beginning. They even have been started by Church leaders, who were then corrected by councils and popes. Fortunately, we have Christ’s promise that heresies will never prevail against the Church, for he told Peter, “You are Peter, and on this rock I will build my Church, and the gates of hell will not prevail against it” (Matt. 16:18). The Church is truly, in Paul’s words, “the pillar and foundation of the truth” (1 Tim. 3:15).
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So what you’re telling me is that the Roman church decides what truth is, not Scripture and not God. And then you quote Scripture, which you have refused to accept as truth in order to support your claims.
Do I have that right?
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