For which you should just say, "Thank You.", and go on your way.
Thanks; Rome; for INCLUDING John's words in the Book you assembled so long ago.
Posted on 09/17/2018 11:01:08 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
How do you feel about "rods from God"? The irony would be *magnificent*.
See, the proof that this is of diabolical origin, is that if the #echo_homo crowd is left alone, they rot the Church from within; but if they stall long enough, government forces come in (abuse, RICO) and destroy the limited immunity the Church has from the militant secularists.
Yep, I guess us former Catholics are up the proverbial creek. I don’t know if all Catholics believe that, but some surely do. I guess that means, that since I am an ex catholic, I am obstinately refusing to accept Catholic doctrine. You know what BB, I am comfortable with that. I also have ABSOLUTE assurance of salvation. Maybe I am up two creeks, but that’s ok. If it’s all the same to everyone, I think I will remain outside the one true church. After all, rejecting a religion, does not mean I reject the real Jesus, as opposed to the fake Jesus of the cults. 😁👊🤗👍
Don’t we know someone who does exactly that, and says he is not interpreting scripture. I can’t remember his screen name, but I know he is around. 😁😊🤗🤣 When I was a catholic, I was told I needed a priest to interpret scripture for me. I don’t know if all Catholics are told this, but I know I was. 👎 I was a TOTALLY rebellious catholic. When they told me I needed a priest, I just picked up a Bible, and started reading it, just to spite the Church. Was I rebellious dude, or what? 🤣 I am glad now that I was. 👍👊
Lehi sees a vision of the tree of life—He partakes of its fruit and desires his family to do likewise—He sees a rod of iron, a strait and narrow path, and the mists of darkness that enshroud men—Sariah, Nephi, and Sam partake of the fruit, but Laman and Lemuel refuse. About 600–592 B.C.
1 And it came to pass that we had gathered together all manner of aseeds of every kind, both of grain of every kind, and also of the seeds of fruit of every kind.
2 And it came to pass that while my father tarried in the wilderness he spake unto us, saying: Behold, I have adreamed a dream; or, in other words, I have bseen a cvision.
3 And behold, because of the thing which I have seen, I have reason to rejoice in the Lord because of aNephi and also of Sam; for I have reason to suppose that they, and also many of their seed, will be saved.
4 But behold, aLaman and Lemuel, I fear exceedingly because of you; for behold, methought I saw in my dream, a dark and dreary wilderness.
5 And it came to pass that I saw a aman, and he was dressed in a white brobe; and he came and stood before me.
6 And it came to pass that he spake unto me, and bade me follow him.
7 And it came to pass that as I followed him I beheld myself that I was in a dark and dreary waste.
8 And after I had traveled for the space of many hours in darkness, I began to pray unto the Lord that he would have amercy on me, according to the multitude of his tender mercies.
9 And it came to pass after I had prayed unto the Lord I beheld a large and spacious afield.
10 And it came to pass that I beheld a atree, whose bfruit was desirable to make one chappy.
11 And it came to pass that I did go forth and partake of the afruit thereof; and I beheld that it was most sweet, above all that I ever before tasted. Yea, and I beheld that the fruit thereof was white, to exceed all the bwhiteness that I had ever seen.
12 And as I partook of the fruit thereof it filled my soul with exceedingly great ajoy; wherefore, I began to be bdesirous that my family should partake of it also; for I knew that it was cdesirable above all other fruit.
13 And as I cast my eyes round about, that perhaps I might discover my family also, I beheld a ariver of water; and it ran along, and it was near the tree of which I was partaking the fruit.
14 And I looked to behold from whence it came; and I saw the head thereof a little way off; and at the head thereof I beheld your mother Sariah, and Sam, and aNephi; and they stood as if they knew not whither they should go.
15 And it came to pass that I beckoned unto them; and I also did say unto them with a loud voice that they should come unto me, and partake of the fruit, which was desirable above all other fruit.
16 And it came to pass that they did come unto me and partake of the fruit also.
17 And it came to pass that I was desirous that Laman and Lemuel should come and partake of the fruit also; wherefore, I cast mine eyes towards the head of the river, that perhaps I might see them.
18 And it came to pass that I saw them, but they would anot come unto me and partake of the fruit.
19 And I beheld a arod of iron, and it extended along the bank of the river, and led to the tree by which I stood.
20 And I also beheld a astrait and narrow path, which came along by the rod of iron, even to the tree by which I stood; and it also led by the head of the fountain, unto a large and spacious field, as if it had been a bworld.
21 And I saw numberless concourses of people, many of whom were apressing forward, that they might obtain the bpath which led unto the tree by which I stood.
22 And it came to pass that they did come forth, and commence in the path which led to the tree.
23 And it came to pass that there arose a amist of darkness; yea, even an exceedingly great mist of darkness, insomuch that they who had commenced in the path did lose their way, that they wandered off and were blost.
24 And it came to pass that I beheld others pressing forward, and they came forth and caught hold of the end of the rod of iron; and they did press forward through the mist of darkness, aclinging to the rod of iron, even until they did come forth and partake of the bfruit of the tree.
25 And after they had partaken of the fruit of the tree they did cast their eyes about as if they were aashamed.
26 And I also cast my eyes round about, and beheld, on the aother side of the river of water, a great and bspacious building; and it stood as it were in the cair, high above the earth.
27 And it was filled with people, both old and young, both male and female; and their manner of dress was exceedingly fine; and they were in the aattitude of bmocking and pointing their fingers towards those who had come at and were partaking of the fruit.
28 And after they had atasted of the fruit they were bashamed, because of those that were cscoffing at them; and they dfell away into forbidden paths and were lost.
29 And now I, Nephi, do not speak aall the words of my father.
30 But, to be short in writing, behold, he saw other multitudes pressing forward; and they came and caught hold of the end of the arod of iron; and they did press their way forward, continually holding fast to the rod of iron, until they came forth and fell down and partook of the fruit of the tree.
31 And he also saw other amultitudes feeling their way towards that great and spacious building.
32 And it came to pass that many were drowned in the adepths of the bfountain; and many were lost from his view, wandering in strange roads.
33 And great was the multitude that did enter into that strange building. And after they did enter into that building they did point the finger of ascorn at me and those that were partaking of the fruit also; but we heeded them not.
34 These are the words of my father: For as many as aheeded them, had fallen away.
35 And aLaman and Lemuel partook not of the fruit, said my father.
36 And it came to pass after my father had spoken all the words of his dream or vision, which were many, he said unto us, because of these things which he saw in a vision, he exceedingly feared for Laman and Lemuel; yea, he feared lest they should be cast off from the presence of the Lord.
37 And he did aexhort them then with all the feeling of a tender parent, that they would hearken to his words, that perhaps the Lord would be merciful to them, and not cast them off; yea, my father did preach unto them.
38 And after he had preached unto them, and also prophesied unto them of many things, he bade them to keep the commandments of the Lord; and he did cease speaking unto them.
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Well by the way you have been flamed, it looks like the postings work.
Nope, I meant telephone sized tungsten rods shot down from Earth orbit.
For which you should just say, "Thank You.", and go on your way.
Thanks; Rome; for INCLUDING John's words in the Book you assembled so long ago.
Yes, I should thank Rome for writing the Bible, from which I get my absolute assurance of salvation. How can they criticize me for simply reading the book (Bible) that they wrote? 😁🤣👊👍🇵🇭
Yes, he is still here.
And I feel the same way.
Forbidden fruit tastes the sweetest
person who holds heresy =/= unsaved
person who holds heresy =/= non-Cristian
person who holds heresy =/= damned
Not understanding this may be what caused this misunderstanding
Christ said call no man father.
Then the greatest concern should be that of the term "evangelical" being divorced from its historical emphasis on doctrine and conversion, including from Catholicism, and rejection of it as a valid church (though not without salvific Truths). And to a version of evangelical which is too often guilty of the same failings, and presents Catholicism as an esteemed true church they are in union with, despite its greatly liberal membership .
Rather, in both doctrine and morality those who seek to conform to the faith of the NT church as per the only wholly inspired substantive authoritative record of what it believed (including how they understood the OT and gospels), need to be separate from both liberal Protestantism - which tends to be closest to Catholicism - and from the latter as regards spiritual fellowship, though contending for the core Truths and morality we agree on (at least Rome does officially).
I come far enough behind the purity, probity and passion of the prima NT church without being dragged back into a basically dead entity.
Your polemical recourse to extreme unsubstantiated broad brush assertions (unlike those by popes who do damn all who do not live and die in the bosom of Rome) does not help your argument.
What you suspect is suspect. And as for polls, we do have this:
Globally 98% of evangelical leaders agree that the Bible is the word of God. Only 3% believe that human life has evolved with no involvement from a supreme being, and 47% reject theistic evolution, while 41% believe God has used evolution for the purpose of creating humans and other life. http://www.pewforum.org/2011/06/22/global-survey-of-evangelical-protestant-leaders/
51% do not see influence of Catholicism as a threat, while 35% see it as a minor threat, and 10% see it as a major one. 92% express favorable opinions of Pentecostals, and 76% express favorable opinions of Catholics. 7% say they consider non-religious people to be friendly toward evangelicals, and 35% say they have a very unfavorable opinion of atheists, with 35%saying mostly unfavorable. ^
33% describe themselves as Pentecostals, versus 14% of leaders from the Global North. 76% say they have experienced or witnessed a divine healing, and 70% of those from the Global South say they have witnessed the devil or evil spirits being driven out. ^
90% reject the so-called prosperity gospel, the notion that God will grant wealth and good health to those who have enough faith. 52% (75% in the “Global South”) believe drinking alcohol is incompatible with being a good evangelical, 97% likewise reject astrology, 96% reject reincarnation, 95% reject denying Jesus is the only way to salvation, 92% reject yoga. ^
95% of the Catholics I've met have no problem accepting all mainstream Orthodox and Protestant denominations are Christian.
But we never seem to see you on the RF here, and your RC acquaintances` must reject the historical teaching on Extra Ecclesiam nulla salus (outside the Catholic church there is no salvation) to hold that 95% view.
Thus is true, and its like as should be done with disowning the Inquisitions and all bloody means, those who seek to be and preach according to NT faith need to not be guilty of what has happened in fallen churches, and to manifest separation from them, not union.
person who holds heresy =/= non-Cristian
person who holds heresy =/= damned
Not understanding this may be what caused this misunderstanding
Got chapter and verse references for those claims?
In God's economy, the only people unsaved, non-Christian, and damned are those without Christ.
It has nothing to do with holding to church doctrine.
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“Christianity” is going up in smoke, and that’s OK.
It never was real; it was invented by Eusebius to please Constantine.
The real faith of Yeshua will live on and thrive in the evolving vacuum. Its growing world wide, expecially in the nations of east Asia.
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I've seen no non-Catholic here on FR accuse any FRoman Catholics of being soft on muslims.
Instead, we do what you always appeal to, go to official church teaching and doctrine and here it is.
YOUR pope kissing the koran. Fits right in with YOUR Catechism of the Catholic church.
http://www.vatican.va/archive/ENG0015/__P29.HTM
841 The Church's relationship with the Muslims. "The plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the Creator, in the first place amongst whom are the Muslims; these profess to hold the faith of Abraham, and together with us they adore the one, merciful God, mankind's judge on the last day."330
YOUR religion is soft on muslims and this current pope is the worst of all.
I can actually provide you (and the mod if needed) with links by PM (I have saved a lot of my postings, etc.) to posts by Catholics that made like comments, including that Protestantism is a false religion, belief in one’s self, who have no faith in Christ, no foundation for their superficial understanding of Christianity, who are by inclination vandals, evil fruit, ignorant, biblically illiterate, typically intellectually dishonest, absolutely alien to Christianity, a false religion, a bizarre and false religion, a mass of sheer rot, a heretical brand of Christianity, who completely reject Christ, belief in one’s self, with no foundation for their understanding of Christianity, and who are unable to defend it.
And even yet also claim there is not a bit of anti-protestant bigotry among Catholics here, nor that they never belittle or challenge beliefs from protestants, incldg. threads of Catholics initiating an argument with protestants.
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