Why Every Christian, Not Just Catholics, Should Be Very Worried About The Catholic Sex Scandal

The Federalist ^ | 09/17/2018 | By Willis L. Krumholz and Robert Delahunty

[Lurkinanloomin]

It all stems from the acceptance of homosexuality as normal.

It is not.

[Popman]

When Frankie the Marxist Pope resigns and every sex abuser priest is jailed, I’d turn my glaze to my non-RCC church.

We progs do a pretty good job of keeping our house clean, not perfect.

[BillyBoy]

>> Concern for Fellow Christians <<

Hmmm. Well, the "evangelical leaders" could start there by simply acknowledging Catholics ARE Christians, instead of an "unbiblical cult". Someone send Ray Comfort, Ralph Drollinger, and the rest of 'em a memo that Christianity didn't start in the 1600s.

[BillyBoy]

I seem to recall that when Benedict XVI was Pope, "the progs" did nothing but trash him, and rejoiced when he was gone.

Now they retroactively say they "liked and respected your LAST Pope" and wished he hadn't resigned.

Hmmm. Reminds me of all the lefties who swore up and down they were "against war" when Clinton was President.

[DungeonMaster]

Now they retroactively say they "liked and respected your LAST Pope" and wished he hadn't resigned.

We definitely don't say that.

[Missouri gal]

Vigano’s report was like removing the finger from the dyke. An explosion of revelations concerning misconduct by Pope Francis himself and those liberal prelates close to him has followed. Francis and his liberal allies lack the wisdom to see that their little false kingdom is falling down, but falling nevertheless. Not only sexual misconduct but financial misconduct and occult practices are intertwined with false teachings and bad liturgy.I believe the Catholic Church will survive, but it will look very different.

[redgolum]

And for willing to destroy individuals to “save” the larger corporate body.

As my old Pastor once told me “That is what the Pharisees and Sadducee did. Never sacrifice a soul to save a man made organization.”

[Popman]

LOL...

I didn’t know I represented all “progs...

That is quite a responsibility...

Though I don’t believe the office of Pope is anything special, except as a leader of a reglious sect, I did respect the men who held that position...the latest guy deserves no respect...

[Just mythoughts]

No. It stems from man made traditions that ignore WHO it is they claim to serve. Christ said call no man father. And this bunch ignore that command and call themselves ‘holy fathers’. The US bishops commissioned themselves a gospel, otherwise called the Jay report that the church faithful cite religiously as just being a homosexual issue. It just sounds better than talking about prepubescent boys, getting some holy training.

Call them out on citing this report as gospel, they get as nasty as the dragon.

[MeganC]

While I would love to see the homosexual cabal that is destroying the Catholic Church from within crucified naked on cactus trees...I pray for our Catholic friends here on FR that their church can be made whole and pure again.

[ealgeone]

You mean Roman Catholicism has renounced all their teachings and condemnations against non Roman Catholics??

[BillyBoy]

I don’t recall seeing a single post from a protestant FReeper during Pope Benedict’s reign saying they liked or admired or respected him, even when he said stuff they agreed with or promoted conservative values. Mostly they mocked how old he was and called him “NAZI Pope” because he had been forced to join Hitler Youth as a child.

But now tons of them retroactively claim he was a good Christian leader.

Here’s another example: I’m reminded of the Australians who did nothing but trash Tony Abbott every day he was Prime Minister. Then after they got their wish and he was gone, his successor (Malcolm Turnbull) turned out to be HORRIBLE, and now they’re RETROACTIVELY claimed they liked Abbott and respected him. Funny, they sure didn’t show it at the time he was in power.

Moral of the story: Be careful what you wish for... you may get it.

[unlearner]

“Well, the ‘evangelical leaders’ could start there by simply acknowledging Catholics ARE Christians, instead of an ‘unbiblical cult’. Someone send Ray Comfort, Ralph Drollinger, and the rest of ‘em a memo that Christianity didn’t start in the 1600s.”

Agree and disagree. Christianity, as a religion, is made up of Catholic, Orthodox, Protestant, and maybe some other branches of Christendom. There are true, born-again believers—followers of Christ—who are in the Catholic Church and other churches. I’m friends with Catholic believers who have a real relationship with Christ. In fact, I’m friends with some Catholics who are not born again as well. And they are nice people but have not yet entered into a personal relationship with Christ. Knowing that many Catholics are born-again believers does not mean that the teachings and practices or the Catholic religion are not subject to criticism.

People like Ray Comfort understand that religion is not a relationship with Christ. He will preach the Gospel to anyone—atheist, Catholic, Baptist, other Protestant evangelicals, Muslim, etc.

While I have some doctrinal issues with Catholicism, I appreciate many contributions Catholics make and even the hierarchal system of the Catholic Church has, over the years, proclaimed a lot of Biblical truth that Protestants ignored or shied away from.

But regarding the issue at hand, the modern problem of ritual sex abuse of children is absolutely a problem that Protestants need to face along with Catholics. There may be issues historically where Catholic doctrine was at the heart of a problem or abuse, but this is not really the case today, I feel, with these particular charges.

The real problem stems primarily from NAZI ratlines and Project Paperclip bringing NAZI occultists into our nation and other free countries around the world. Many of these infiltrated churches, including the Catholic Church. There are other separate sex abuse problems in Catholic and Protestant churches, such as the Amish and Mennonite communities which have tolerated multi-generational sex abuse of their girls.

But the infiltration of Satanists is a challenge for all churches and even other religions which at least generally have a basis in striving to do what is morally right. That is, most religions are at least well-intentioned. And all of them, even those founded on the solid bedrock of truth, are vulnerable to Satanic infiltration. This issue requires vigilance and perseverance to identify, address, and resolve within all churches.

This applies to Protestants and Catholics, and even Christian ministries and charities.

I’m not an advocate of ecumenicism, but I do think a lot of the bickering between Christian groups does more harm than good.

[Buckeye McFrog]

Resolution and absolution will require serious effort, and most likely require deep, structural reforms.

Reforms that the Catholic Church is structurally incapable of implementing IMO. Too many have a vested interest in the status quo. Too many will reflexively fight ANY change, kicking and screaming. The leadership is an unelected dictatorship that is more or less impervious to influence from it's flock. The Church has so much money that the current leaders can ride out the decline in luxury for decades to come. It has plenty of enablers that will continue to show up and finance it, even if they were to start holding pagan sacrifices on the steps of St. Peter's.

I agree that when the largest Christian Church is gravely wounded it's a very bad thing for Christianity as a whole.

[FreshPrince]

(Titus 1:4); “I appeal to you for my child, Onesimus,
whose father I have become in my imprisonment” (Philem. 10).

For I became your father in Christ Jesus through the gospel”
(1 Cor. 4:14–15).

“She who is at Babylon, who is likewise chosen,
sends you greetings; and so does my son Mark” (1 Pet. 5:13). (Peter is thus Marks spiritual Father)

[karnage]

“As goes Ireland, so will go the rest of Roman Catholic Christendom.”

Sez who?

[RegulatorCountry]

There are quite a few traditionalist Catholics on this site who aver that Protestants are not Christians, so you might want to look into that since it disturbs you.

[karnage]

DC is not the only swamp that needs draining.

[BillyBoy]

>> Knowing that many Catholics are born-again believers does not mean that the teachings and practices or the Catholic religion are not subject to criticism. <<

Of course the individual teachings and practices of a particular denomination can be the subject to criticism by other Christians.

For example, I think Calvinism is completely bonkers and that John Calvin strayed very, very far from traditional Christian dogma. I vehemently disagree with all five "TULIP" teachings of Calvinism.

But strongly disagreeing with the theology overall does not mean I would EVER say anyone who is a member of a Calvinist denomination "is not a Christian". It would extremely insulting and divisive to make public comments like "There are Christians and there are Calvinists. These are NOT the same thing. You CANNOT be a Christian and accept Calvinism. The Calvinists are a made man cult that worships John Calvin as their savior, and no Calvinist knows Jesus Christ as lord and savior. They must accept the true Christ of the bible and leave the false religion of Calvinism to be saved."

Now, replace the word Calvinism with Catholicism, and a ton of "evangelical leaders" DO spew that kind of nonsense. You can't "show compassion for fellow brothers and sisters in Christ" if you're not even willing to acknowledge they ARE Christians to begin with. To guys like Ray Comfort and his ilk, millions of people who sincerely believe in the Holy Trinity are no different than Buddhists.

As I noted, I think Calvinism is absolutely wrong. But I would NEVER claim a devout Presbyterian who fervently believes Jesus is fully God and fully man and that God the Father, God the Son, and The Holy Spirit are all different forms of the same loving God is "not a Christian" merely because he's a member of a calvinist church.