Posted on 09/13/2018 7:06:20 AM PDT by Aunt Polgara
Long, but sobering and detailed article. Does not excuse the guilty either.
Which means it will NOT get any media attention, since that is not Shapiro’s intentions, nor the NYTimes intentions. It DOES break the morale of Trump’s Christian-Catholic base, which IS Shapiro’s and the the NYTimes’ intentions.
... and enabled by the leadership of the organization.
It is being reported all over the US and World.Better to own up or you won't get it fixed.Just yesterday, Germany was revealed to have had over 3700 cases of Catholic sexual abuse.
German Catholic priests abused thousands of children
Donohue, Pervert Protector. I’m guessing this guy never figured out what caused the Reformation and the Protestant start.
Please read the other article I posted this morning about Cardinal Wuerl. Perhaps it will change your mind about him and perhaps not. Remember, the main stream media hates what the Catholic Church stand for, and will tear it down whenever it sees an opening.
Until Roman priest abuse is out in the open, it will continue to victimize children.
Fine tuning the accusations minimizes the horror the church perpetrated on children worldwide.
It is worse than we know.
I have read this entire article. I also have great respect for Mr. Bill Donahue.
However, if priest is having intercourse with a post-pubescent, that this proves Homosexuality is misleading. Adults who have sex with post puberty minors of the same gender are not necessarily committing just an act of homosexuality. There is an abusive power play here which can't be ignored. To explain away this whole scandal to homosexual priests won't get us to the real problem.
Also showing up the government by claiming a truth:
'That Public Institutions, the media and Hollywood are even more guilty than the Roman Catholic Church,'
will not solve the problems the church itself is facing. Catholics send their children to Catholic Schools for a better education than the one they will receive from the Public School Systems. They expect more from the Roman Catholic Church.
It is not “debunked”.
I will agree that the Attorney General, likely in pursuit of the next step in his political career, lumped in some lightly substantiated cases in with the severe ones. But no one is denying that the severe ones actually occurred.
This article just indicates to me that the Church’s plan is to try and spin their way out of this mess.
Not gonna work this time.
I’m sorry but splitting hairs over whether they were priests or brothers, or how 300 is a small number compared to all the priests in PA isn’t swaying me. Ongoing abuse, covered up and condoned at the highest levels, AFTER prior scandals were uncovered is not excusable. Saying it was “only” a couple of hundred if you make some big assumptions isn’t making me feel better about the church here.
“Over the past two years, .005 percent of the Catholic clergy have had a credible accusation made against him.”
Well, many men have had no accusations made public until they are, then actors, movie producers, and news presenters and producers suddenly have dozens each become public.
This is a bogus data point given.
“but it is wrong to give the impression that we are talking about 5-year-olds when more typically they were 15-year-olds.””
That defense is a true embarrassment. That they could even offer this as a “defense” shows how far they have fallen.
Thanks Robert A Cook PE.
Irrelevant points.
No it is not a denial. I think what he said is accurate. The word “Rape” was used to suggest every incident was a forcible sex case. Not true. Sexual abuse explains 100% of the Acts but not all 100% are rape. I think if the PA AG is going to be fair from a Constitutional perspective then you can’t make a set of laws for one group and a different one for another. If this was just to get the Catholic Church, then that is a problem.
I have always said that this was more about homosexual ephobile scandal, which historically has been seen an distinct from true pedastry. Liberal Dems want to use pedophile because that is still a term that resonates with the majority of U.S. Ephobile links it more with homosexuality since the victims are young males nearing, at or past puberty (12-17).
In other words, cases like the former Cardinal McCarrick.
It is effective denial.
Rape is sex with someone who is not consenting. Minors cannot consent. Priests raped them.
To parse words is to minimize what happened by priests to children.
I think if the PA AG is going to be fair from a Constitutional perspective then you can’t make a set of laws for one group and a different one for another. If this was just to get the Catholic Church, then that is a problem.
No one is out to get the Catholic church with this report. They are holding the Catholic church to account because it did not and refused to police itself. It covered up. It acted as a criminal organization. It gave up it's right to be self policing. It was evil.
I have always said that this was more about homosexual ephobile scandal, which historically has been seen an distinct from true pedastry. Liberal Dems want to use pedophile because that is still a term that resonates with the majority of U.S. Ephobile links it more with homosexuality since the victims are young males nearing, at or past puberty (12-17).
Again, you are using this to minimize the evil. Both are equally evil. It is evil that individual catholics are not out full force demanding justice for children, but are instead parsing words. Again, this is evil. In other words, cases like the former Cardinal McCarrick.
Homosexuality in your priesthood is just one problem. The worse problems are that your leaders accept homosexuality FROM THE VATICAN DOWN. The worse problems involved covering it up and spreading the evil to other parishes.
No it is not. Rape is Rape, Inappropriate touching is something else. Both are wrong, but one is far more serious. Inappropriate touching is not rape. The overwhelming majority of these cases do no involve rape. Most involve fondling, groping, another group involves sexual acts that do not involve carnal relations, to put it nicely. Forcible rape, No, not true.
And I am not minimizing anything. McCarrick should have been removed for using his office to recruit young men (sexually immature and confused) to seminary and ordain them as priests to use them for his sex partners. Under U.S. law, not illegal, unless he forced himself. Benedict put him in Catholic House arrest, Francis let him out. Only when McCarrick was found to have credibly fondled/groped a 16-17 year old teenage male (which occurred back in 1971) did Francis strip him of his title of Cardinal and put him back in “Catholic House Arrest”.
Where was moral outrage in the state of Alabama, which is a super majority Bible Belt Protestant State in which Judge Roy Moore, credibly accused with groping and inappropriate touching of several 14-16 year old teenage women. He received the majority of the white Bible Belt Protestant vote. The argument was he repented, did not rape anybody, yada, yada, yada,
Now I expect morally Catholic Bishops and Priests to do better than secular judges. But legally, the charges were the same. Statute of Limitations had passed, although Moore is still alive. So should we go back and change statute of limitations for Bible Belt Protestant Judges, credibly accused of fondling and inappropriate touching of young teenage women.
I have no problem with examining the records. I want transparency but in PA, the AG is pushing for a law to change the statute of limitations for only the Catholic Church.
Now I agree there are two camps in the Church, the social justice who see feminism (women’s priest; abortion) and homosexuality as issues that need to be changed. I do believe there is a Lavender Mafia in many Big City Catholic Dioceses, from the Bishop on down. There are Bishops that are entirely orthodox. So there are Catholic leaders wanting to water down the moral sexual teachings. I agree, and that includes a segment of those in Rome.
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Well, I for one am very pleased that your priesthood is better than reported!
Eskimos have something like 40 words for snow. Rome apparently has 40 words for sexual abuse.
Where was moral outrage in the state of Alabama, which is a super majority Bible Belt Protestant State in which Judge Roy Moore, credibly accused with groping and inappropriate touching of several 14-16 year old teenage women. He received the majority of the white Bible Belt Protestant vote. The argument was he repented, did not rape anybody, yada, yada, yada,
I do not believe he was credibly accused.
I note you have reverted to Roman Argument #2: Others do it too!!!
Just call what happened evil and move on. No need to justify or rationalize.
I have no problem with examining the records. I want transparency but in PA, the AG is pushing for a law to change the statute of limitations for only the Catholic Church.
They are the only organization that acted like a criminal organization.
There are Bishops that are entirely orthodox. So there are Catholic leaders wanting to water down the moral sexual teachings. I agree, and that includes a segment of those in Rome.
This remains to be seen - how many are non-gay, orthodox, none colluders in this scandal. We have yet to have full disclosure.
I say, expose it all and build from the ashes.
aMorePerfectUnion:
Eskimos are free to describe what they want. Rome does not have 40 words for sexual abuse. Sexual abuse is a collective term that encompasses a broad category of moral offenses. Rape is a specific sexual abuse that involves carnal sexual relations. I assume you are old enough to know the distinction between carnal sexual relations and groping, inappropriate touching, verbal sexual abuse, exposing minors to pornographic images, etc. All of it is morally wrong and I never stated otherwise. But rape is rape and the others are not.
I have not reverted to Roman argument 2. My argument is based on traditional Conservative principles of Law. The PA AG is seeking to change the statute of limitations for only the Catholic Church. If PA AG wants to change the statute of limitations, then everyone in PA needs to be subject to the same law. That was my point.
Well if you don’t think Moore was credibly accused, you would not want Alabama to change the statue of limitations to go back and try to charge him based on evidence from over 30 years ago would you.
And yes, what happened is evil. I have said that on every post I have made on the topic. I am glad the McCarrick information came out, there were rumors about him on Catholic blogosphere back in 2001. Another Bishop was suspended for similar things yesterday.
There is an internal war going on in the Catholic Church. I will not support Francis, nor will I go into Schism, nor will I say silent. So I am part of the Catholic resistance. No more money from Me to support the offering to Help Pope Francis for causes he as Bishop of Rome supports. We have a new Bishop where I am. Hopefully he is solid. If not, my parish priest (Pastor) is so I will stay there and support U.S. Bishops that are calling out Francis and his social justice warrior cohort of Bishops.
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