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(Catholic Caucus) Neither Schismatic nor Excommunicated: Abp. Pozzo - Fr. Jean-Michel Gleize
Regina Coeli Report ^ | 9/4/2018

Posted on 09/09/2018 10:19:29 AM PDT by narses

At the end of a conference that he gave in Poland in July, Archbishop Pozzo answered a few questions from the audience. Fr. Gleize of the SSPX gives the following analysis:

The current situation of the Society of St. Pius X in the Church was one of the themes that was brought up in the context of his remarks on the liturgy, in the seventh question put to him:

Can Pope Francis’ decision to grant the SSPX priests the ability to give sacramental absolution be seen as a way to encourage the faithful to go to SSPX priests for other sacraments? Archbishop Pozzo’s answer was anything but ambiguous.

No, I do not think it can be interpreted in that way; it is not an encouragement to go see the Society priests. The pope gave his motives in the decree. He is concerned for the spiritual salvation of the SSPX faithful. That is the reason he made sacramental absolution for sins and Extreme Unction for sick persons valid and licit even after the Holy Year, for the good of souls. Suprema lex salus animarum. This was also the reason for the Letter on Marriages, to grant the possibility of a valid marriage with due canonical form, for the good of souls, and certainly in view of a reconciliation. The priests and bishops of the Society of St. Pius X nonetheless exercise their ministry illicitly and illegitimately. They are not excommunicated, of course, not anymore; the excommunication was lifted, so they are not formally schismatic – it is absolutely false to claim that the SSPX is schismatic from a formal, canonical point of view – because there is no longer a schism since they are no longer excommunicated; that is very clear. But they are in an irregular situation, and insofar as they do not have a canonical recognition, they do not exercise their ministry legitimately, except for confessions and marriages, as granted by the pope. We must be very clear about this. The necessity of a canonical recognition is not just a notarial, formal act. The Church is a visible structure and it is essential for the clergy to have a canonical recognition from the Holy See. And this is another truth of the reality of the Church and they should admit it. The SSPX is Not Schismatic This answer calls for two remarks. The first remark: “It is absolutely false to claim that the SSPX is schismatic from a formal, canonical point of view.”

Should we see this as a denial of Cardinal Burke’s remarks last year, in his conference on July 15, 2017, in Merdford? In any case, Archbishop Pozzo is determined to clear the Society of the accusation of schism.

The reason for this is that the excommunication of the SSPX bishops and priests was lifted. Which raises the question of the exact impact of this excommunication. Based on the answers the Holy See sent to Bishop Brunner of Sion in 1997, the bishops consecrated by Archbishop Lefebvre in 1988 were subject to the excommunication by reason of the crime of a consecration without a papal mandate. The excommunication also applied to all those who formally adhered to the schismatic movement inaugurated by this episcopal consecration.

In his Letter to the Bishops on March 10, 2009, Benedict XVI declared that he lifted the excommunication incurred by the four bishops consecrated in 1988 by Archbishop Lefebvre, nothing more, nothing less. It is not unreasonable to think that he also and by the same acted lifted the excommunication resulting from a formal adherence to a state of schism, judging that the four bishops had sufficiently expressed “their recognition in principle of the Pope and his authority as Pastor, albeit with some reservations in the area of obedience to his doctrinal authority and to the authority of the Council.” Archbishop Pozzo’s answer that we have just quoted confirms this interpretation.

Archbishop Pozzo celebrating Mass in 2011 An Unsatisfactory Situation The second remark: the situation of the SSPX priests remains unsatisfactory in the eyes of the Holy See. For these priests do not have the canonical recognition that is indispensable for anyone who wishes to exercise a legitimate ministry in the Church. The favors granted to them by Pope Francis therefore remain exceptions, conceded for the spiritual good (salvation) of the faithful who go to these priests.

In Rome’s eyes, they do not make the ministry of the SSPX priests legitimate outside of the conditions provided by the Pope (for the sacraments of Penance and Extreme Unction and the delegation granted for the celebration of marriages).

Archbishop Pozzo is thus showing that Rome still does not recognize the state of necessity that authorizes the priests of Tradition to work for the salvation of souls, despite the absence of an official recognition from the conciliar authorities.

But if the Society is not schismatic, then why does Rome continue to consider its situation irregular? The explanation was given by Archbishop Pozzo in his answer to a preceding question (the sixth):

“The problem will remain so long as the Society of St. Pius X does not adhere to the doctrinal declaration approved by Pope Francis and presented by the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith.” The problem, therefore, is indeed, first and foremost, a doctrinal problem. In Rome’s own eyes, the canonical recognition depends on the resolution of this problem.

We have to be clear on this, too. Indeed.

-- Fr. Jean-Michel Gleize, priest of the Priestly Society of St. Pius X Originally Posted in French on La Porte Latine

Sources: Courrier de Rome #612, July-August 2018 / La Porte Latine – 8/31/2018


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1 posted on 09/09/2018 10:19:29 AM PDT by narses
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To: narses

Schismatic in sentiment and some practices, but not in definitive law.

Remember all the marriages of those married by SSPX clergy and all the Confessions heard and absolved by SSPX (except in cases of danger of death) are automatically invalid.

That tells you what their standing is in the Church.


2 posted on 09/09/2018 10:22:50 AM PDT by vladimir998 (Apparently I'm still living in your head rent free. At least now it isn't empty.)
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To: vladimir998

“Remember all the marriages of those married by SSPX clergy and all the Confessions heard and absolved by SSPX (except in cases of danger of death) are automatically invalid.”

Nope.

https://sspx.org/en/news-events/news/pope-francis-statement-sspx-confessions

http://www.catholicnews.com/services/englishnews/2017/pope-approves-provisions-to-recognize-marriages-of-sspx-faithful.cfm


3 posted on 09/09/2018 10:31:26 AM PDT by narses (Censeo praedatorium gregem esse delendum.)
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To: vladimir998

https://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news/pope-extends-jubilee-mandate-on-abortion-sspx-confession-83265


4 posted on 09/09/2018 10:32:01 AM PDT by narses (Censeo praedatorium gregem esse delendum.)
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To: vladimir998
Remember all the marriages of those married by SSPX clergy and all the Confessions heard and absolved by SSPX (except in cases of danger of death) are automatically invalid.

While formerly always true, this is no longer true since Pope Francis supplied the special faculty to SSPX priests to hear confessions and to diocesan bishops to delegate SSPX priests to witness marriages. The latter is to be given only when it is not possible for another (non-irregular) priest to witness the marriage.

Marriages witnessed by SSPX priests without delegation (whether before or after these faculties were given) would still be invalid due to the lack of delegation — but those marriages could be regularized throug a radical sanation.

SSPX clergy are still irregular from the moment of their ordination because SSPX as a whole lacks juridical personality (their clergy are canonically “free agents” not validly incardinated anywhere)... so in that sense their canonical status hasn’t changed... but the de facto situation for the faithful associated with them is certainly improved.

5 posted on 09/09/2018 10:49:12 AM PDT by GCC Catholic (Trump doesn't suffer fools, but fools will suffer Trump. Make America Great Again!)
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To: narses

About plastic in the ocean:
https://youtu.be/BCtGs5YByqg?t=33m6s


6 posted on 09/09/2018 11:18:56 AM PDT by Jeff Chandler (Every time a lefty cries "racism", a Trump voter gets his wings.)
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To: Jeff Chandler

Yep - the really important issues facing the Holy See today. Thanks.


7 posted on 09/09/2018 11:27:32 AM PDT by narses (Censeo praedatorium gregem esse delendum.)
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To: narses

SSPX may see its membership increase.
I for one, who was exposed to yet another “healing” sermon today, would not wonder why.


8 posted on 09/09/2018 11:47:42 AM PDT by Ouchthatonehurt
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To: Ouchthatonehurt

The SSPX is a life-raft, not the Barque of St Peter. We all need to pray for the Paraclete to bring His Cleansing Fire to the Church Militant all around the world.


9 posted on 09/09/2018 11:49:36 AM PDT by narses (Censeo praedatorium gregem esse delendum.)
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To: narses

You’re right. I forgot about the extent of Pope Francis’ generosity in this affair. Only Nixon could go to China. Only a Pope who embodies everything SSPX says they oppose could legitimize them in the Confessional. Oh, the irony.


10 posted on 09/09/2018 11:51:47 AM PDT by vladimir998 (Apparently I'm still living in your head rent free. At least now it isn't empty.)
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To: narses

The Vatican needs to regularize itself (and join) SSPX, not the other way around.


11 posted on 09/09/2018 11:59:12 AM PDT by steve86 (Prophecies of Maelmhaedhoc O'Morgair (Latin form: Malachy))
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To: vladimir998

Whatever - the fact is that the SSPX has done more to preserve and pass on the very real traditions of the Church than any other organization.

The creation of other Latin Mass orders can be traced to the work of the SSPX, the Moto Proprio recognizing that the Latin Mass is valid, licit and had NEVER been banned was due to the SSPX.

The enemy HATES the Latin Mass. The enemy will lose.


12 posted on 09/09/2018 12:06:52 PM PDT by narses (Censeo praedatorium gregem esse delendum.)
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To: steve86

As I said above, the SSPX is a tiny little part of the Church Militant. The Holy Ghost will be the agent of change, together with Mother Mary and the Saints above us.


13 posted on 09/09/2018 12:07:59 PM PDT by narses (Censeo praedatorium gregem esse delendum.)
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To: narses

“The creation of other Latin Mass orders can be traced to the work of the SSPX...”

Especially their disobedience.

“Whatever - the fact is that the SSPX has done more to preserve and pass on the very real traditions of the Church than any other organization.”

Maybe. The other side of that coin is the sedevacantism they publicly denied but fostered in their seminaries nonetheless. Without SSPX there would be no SSPV, nor CMRI, nor two or three hundred other groups around the world which have separated themselves from the Church.

Be fair to SSPX. They are good. . . and bad.


14 posted on 09/09/2018 12:28:15 PM PDT by vladimir998 (Apparently I'm still living in your head rent free. At least now it isn't empty.)
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To: vladimir998

The sedes are few and far between. The ICK, the FSSP and the Personal Apostolic Administration of Saint John Mary Vianney are thousands of times larger.

I think the sede movement may grow again though as people realize that we may have an anti-pope brewing.


15 posted on 09/09/2018 12:32:40 PM PDT by narses (Censeo praedatorium gregem esse delendum.)
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