Posted on 09/06/2018 11:53:12 AM PDT by Repent and Believe
Unfortunately, unlike Fundamentalist Protestantism, Catholicism has no tradition of conservative or orthodox philo-Semitism. This is where the much-abused "rednecks" outshine everyone else (though of course they should convert to the Noachide Laws too).
BTTT!
Oh come on now, GPH, drop the triplicate-god shtick and take upon yourself the Noahide Laws.
You’ll find it much more authentic to be still waiting for the real Messiah like us than to be re-waiting for a supposed take-two at redemption.
Come wait with the originals.
Recall reading quotes from Jews stating Noahide is what they urge gentiles to convert to to keep Jewish blood pure, rather than getting polluted by a bunch of new Jewish converts.
No thanks.
Faithhopecharity is what happens when one believes Vatican II is Catholic (which in this case agrees with what you are saying as a non-Catholic). There are so many like fhc. It truly is tragic.
“Blessed are the pure in heart, for they shall see God. “Blessed are the peacemakers, for they shall be called sons of God. “Blessed are those who have been persecuted for the sake of righteousness, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven. read more.
“Blessed are you when people insult you and persecute you, and falsely say all kinds of evil against you because of Me. “Rejoice and be glad, for your reward in heaven is great; for in the same way they persecuted the prophets who were before you.” Jesus (Matthew)
It’s fascinating that you use Scripture to claim that you are being persecuted for your non-Catholic belief that Jews are saved without Christ.
As you like Bible verses, here are a few more for your enjoyment. Blessings, fhc
Ezekiel 18:20-23
1 Kings 8:46-50
Jonah (whole book’s message of salvation through repentance)
Proverbs 28:13
Isaiah 30:15
Joel 2:13
Exekiel 18:32
Zacharaiah 11:3b
many more verses especially in the Prophets
Acts 26:20
Acts 3:9
Revelation 2:5
2 COrinthians 7:10
Matthew 4:17
Mark 1:14-15
2 Peter 3:9
and more.
some very clear and definitive verses above, as it is a major Biblical thematic teaching spanning some 1400 years of scripture, and some consistent with the above principal are also included in the above.
Paul and John (especially) taught differently, I am familiar with those teachings so no need to send them along.
Thanks and Blessings to you in your faith/quest.
Fhc
So, in other words, you interpret Scripture as you please. You don’t care to know what the Catholic Church taught about the Jews before Vatican II.
I am, of course, aware of that.
(It is such a very sad unfortunate history that there’s no need to dredge it up again now. Please say a prayer for all the millions of innocent faithful people that the said teachings, and in some cases, church clerics or officials acting in concert with church clerics, caused to be murdered, tortured, burned alive, stretched on the rack, shot dead, and otherwise slaughtered. Prayers help, always.....The Church has sought to express repentance for its role in these crimes....we pray that every individual will find it possible in his/her heart to respect the Church in this respect .. .and try, as best any of us can, to atone/make up/compensate for the past mortal sins committed by and.or in the name of the Church... ).
Take it or leave it, it is a matter of individual faith, prayer, and an informed conscious. All I can do is provide a bit of the scripture and Church teachings on the subject, and pray. I wish you well in your faith quest, Fhc
You are confusing sinful actions by individuals with Church teaching. Should we hate Jews? No. But we shouldn’t teach that they are saved without faith in Christ. That is heresy. If you believe in it, then you are not Catholic.
nevertheless, holy scripture provides faithful Jewish people with a clear path to “salvation” ... and the good Lord is not a liar. The Church recognizes and teaches the Hebrew scriptures (the same ones Jesus learned from his parents, and the same ones Jesus taught from in his synagogue and outside ...the very same scriptures Jesus taught from and said continue to be valid, Matthew 5:11-19; 1 John 2:4, almost any verse in the entire book of James, etc and etc).
Indeed, God provides for salvation to non-Jewish people, too, as is taught in several places including the entire book of Jonah, and in the Noahide laws/teachings in the Pentatuch, etc.
I an aware of the verses that were used to teach a more restrictive salvationary access... so I am not attacking you for reading them, and indeed the church did, as you say, cling to those verses in apparent isolation of the rest of Holy Scripture... for a very long time.
Please at least consider the rest of Holy Scripture (including the couple dozen citations I have somehow managed to send you). This is the best I can do on this now,
I hope you can find your way to giving effect to the rest of the Bible, too, in your faith journey.
Blessings to you!
fhc
For all those who truly wish to be authentic Catholics take note of fhc’s post. She does not teach Catholicism but a false ecumenical non-catholic religion. Don’t believe me? Research it for yourself.
I do not attempt to preach, period. I answered your question with a good list of bible citations. Instead of trying to characterize me, why not at least
Look at , consider the scriptures? You may also wish to reconsider any of dozens of church teachings especially in the last half century or so ( which I realize from your prior discussions that you simply reject). Either way, I’m leaving this discussion now because I’ve given you my best answers and that’s about the best I can do. Thanks and all blessings to you, fhc. ( ps: you may Add Romans 9-11 inclusive to my listing),
Unlike you, I don't interpret Scripture in order to fit it into what I want it to mean. I know what the Catholic Church has always taught based on Scripture and Tradition. It can not change.
The very fact that the last 50 years is so different should make all true Catholics stop and question what happened at Vatican II. Too many have gone along with the false religion foisted upon us decades ago.
I can see that you have gone along with the heresy and refuse to see the truth, but perhaps there are other lurkers out there who will have an "a-ha" moment.
Unlike you, I don't interpret Scripture in order to fit it into what I want it to mean. I know what the Catholic Church has always taught based on Scripture and Tradition. It can not change.
The very fact that the last 50 years is so different should make all true Catholics stop and question what happened at Vatican II. Too many have gone along with the false religion foisted upon us decades ago.
I can see that you have gone along with the heresy and refuse to see the truth, but perhaps there are other lurkers out there who will have an "a-ha" moment.
Half way there. Replacement theology is wrong and false—he got that one right. The Church has not replaced Israel and the promises God made to her still stand and will be fulfilled.
What he gets wrong is the old covenant is no longer in force. It is replaced by the Nee Covenant Christ instituted on the night before He died. Hristian and Jew a-line are saved only under the New Covenant the old has been superceded.
The main idea of a magesterium is to interpret and teach the faith. You have chosen to ignore dozens of verses of holy writ, indeed entire books or polemics, constituting one of the most consistent Biblical teachings or themes - indeed perhaps the most central scriptures teachings. I recognize where you’re coming from with Paul and John etc. Again, though, all of holy scripture is valid and meant for our instruction or guidance. It is therefore essential to consider and weigh it together, to give effect to what God teaches ( wants of:for us little created critters). You have not engaged with a single scriptural chapter or verse I’ve suggested for your consideration. Neither have you given a moment’s notice to the dozens and dozens of Vatican or papal teachings that you disagree with, to try at least to consider, understand, or reconcile them with your personal understandings. If scripture and the magesterium are both to be ignored, there isn’t much left that can be discussed at this time. Thanks anyway and the very best of Blessings to you, fhc
I thought you were done. You are a Vatican II “Catholic”. Please stop engaging with me.
The Substitution Theory is discredited and insulting to Jews. If a Catholic does not accept the teaching of several popes that has concretely led to more peace in the world (for Christians and a persecuted people), then that person is de facto a racist and bigot. What else could you call them? Ignorant would be the kindest.
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