Posted on 09/02/2018 3:21:38 AM PDT by Repent and Believe
The Latest on the Viganò Letter Drama…
Developments & Reactions
[New developments being added as we become aware of them]
This post continues our coverage of the ongoing ecclesiastical Chernobyl unleashed by the accusations of the former Vatican nuncio to the United States, “Abp.” Carlo Viganò, which were first published on Aug. 25 and have the potential not only to bring an end to the Francis “pontificate” but even to throw the entire Vatican II Sect into unprecedented chaos:
Saturday, Sep. 1, 2018
“Abp.” Carlo Viganò releases new letter revealing ‘what really happened’ when Francis met privately with Kim Davis during his 2015 visit to the United States FULL DOCUMENT TEXT HERE
Francis’ mouthpiece “Fr.” Antonio Spadaro, S.J., says in tweet that Vigano’s testimony about the Kim Davis meeting “doesn’t make sense at all”
Gianluigi Nuzzi, the journalist behind the two “Vatileaks” affairs, says that “Abp.” Vigano is credible
Ed Pentin reports on Viganò’s responses to videos appearing to show inconsistencies with his testimony Reactions from Select Blogs and Web Sites
Vaticanist Andrea Tornielli comments on “Abp.” Vigano’s Aug. 31 interview with LifeSiteNews
Trying to determine whether the Vigano Letter’s accusations correspond to the truth, The New York Times notes that both Francis and Benedict XVI “could clear up the confusion created by the letter. Neither one has.”
To explain Francis’ behavior, a blogger reminds his readers of Francis’ Peronist modus operandi first exposed in Omar Bello’s book El Verdadero Francisco (“The True Francis”)
“Fr.” Dwight Longenecker suspects that if Francis continues his “sad silence” in face of these grave allegations, “we may see the development of a lame duck papacy”
Dr. Joseph Shaw opines that the enablers of abuse are as much of a problem as the abusers themselves Chris Ferrara responds to the “neo-Catholic polemic” addressing the Vigano accusations
Tom Droleskey on ‘Another Front in the Conciliar War’, Part 4
Prof. Francis Beckwith points out that “if the media make the request to examine the documents and memos cited in Archbishop Viganò’s testimony, the Holy Father cannot refuse without undermining his credibility and by default his papacy”
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Let’s see if Francis will face some jeers at the Angelus window tomorrow…
Well, I guess it makes sense that you might think all priests are gay, given your heritage.
But I know of no accusation against Father Luther during his decades in the public eye, nor afterwards. All the evidence I see places him as heterosexual and gladly so.
But if it best squares with your life experience and worldview of priests to assume they are all gay, that’s your call bro.
I’ll stick to facts as we know them.
I do hope that you stick to facts. Hopefully the Truth of Jesus.
Blessed be god did not say all priests are gay. Actually very few are. Yes, the Catholic church has a homosexual problem and the church needs to remove the sinful leadership.
Did you forget that Luther was an ordained priest that left the priesthood and ended his vow of celibacy and obedience and later married?
“Actually very few are. Yes, the Catholic church has a homosexual problem and the church needs to remove the sinful leadership.”
And yet you do not know how many Roman priests are gay.
Likely 1 out of every 2 or 3 priests you meet are gay.
A great number bugger children - worldwide.
Aren’t you a Roman priest?
“Did you forget that Luther was an ordained priest that left the priesthood and ended his vow of celibacy and obedience and later married?”
Luther, realizing that the vow was not Biblical, did the right thing by choosing truth over religion.
He helped others escape too, including nuns that were forced into this unbiblical servitude as children.
He married to fulfill God’s plan for mankind in creation and stayed married, fulfilling God’s command. He also had children, fulfilling God’s command.
Your gay “priesthood” does not fulfill any of those commands.
Saint Luther did.
That’s exactly what Martin Luther tried to do.
What did the church do in response?
Tried to kill him.
Facts aren’t your friend.
If that were true, you’d provide any, as I did.
But you did not.
That says it all.
Only 10-12 posts in and the thread turns into a Catholic vs Protestant bashing fest.
'corruption in the Catholic church???? Francis holds Peter's keys and he will do whatever his heart's desire is... He has replaced Jesus with himself. Nobody but nobody in Jesus' Holy name would preach out of a temple to the Serpent. Jesus warned ''' Remember Lot's wife'... Lot's wife was not committing Sodomy, but she sure deliberately disobeyed God by looking back.
Frank the fake has stated his two goals... illegal immigration, and man-made climate change... He does not care how many Sodomites surround him... the more the merrier.
He wasn't right when he wrote "On the Jews and their Lies.
He wasn't right when his argument came down to "Dr Martin Luther will have it so!".
So no, in fact, Luther was wrong a good bit of the time.
Wrong: some disagreement of limited scope can exist btwn believers in the bridge of Christ, but there are no infidels therein. For the only one true church is the spiritual body of Christ, (Colossians 1:18) to which He is married, (Ephesians 5:25) the "household of faith," (Galatians 6:10) since it uniquely only and always consists 100% of true believers, and which spiritual body of Christ is what the Spirit baptizes ever believer into.(1Co. 12:13)
Meanwhile organic fellowships in which they express their faith inevitably become admixtures of wheat and tares, with Catholicism and liberal Protestantism being mostly the latter.
See my above post, while it was not because oral tradition preserved the Word of God that brought about a national revival, but because of the wholly inspired-of-God written word:
And Hilkiah answered and said to Shaphan the scribe, I have found the book of the law in the house of the Lord. And Hilkiah delivered the book to Shaphan. (2 Chronicles 34:15)
Then Shaphan the scribe told the king, saying, Hilkiah the priest hath given me a book. And Shaphan read it before the king. And it came to pass, when the king had heard the words of the law, that he rent his clothes. (2 Chronicles 34:18-19)
And the king went up into the house of the Lord, and all the men of Judah, and the inhabitants of Jerusalem, and the priests, and the Levites, and all the people, great and small: and he read in their ears all the words of the book of the covenant that was found in the house of the Lord. And the king stood in his place, and made a covenant before the Lord, to walk after the Lord, and to keep his commandments, and his testimonies, and his statutes, with all his heart, and with all his soul, to perform the words of the covenant which are written in this book. (2 Chronicles 34:30-31)
For writing is God's chosen most-reliable means of preservation. ( Exodus 17:14; 34:1,27; Deuteronomy 10:4; 17:18; 27:3; 31:24; Joshua 1:8; 2 Chronicles 34:15,18-19; Psalm 19:7-11; 119; John 20:31; Acts 17:11; Revelation 1:1; 20:12, 15; Matthew 4:5-7; 22:29; Luke 24:44,45; Acts 17:11)
And as i abundantly evidenced , as written, Scripture became the transcendent supreme standard for obedience and testing and establishing truth claims as the wholly Divinely inspired and assured, Word of God. Thus the veracity of oral preaching subject to testing by Scripture, and not vice versa.
Actually, looking at the condition of Roman Catholicism then and now, being labeled a *heretic* by your so-called church, does make him right.
If it’s considered heresy to be opposed to the kind of immorality and corruption that has marked most of Catholic history, then it does put you on the side of the right people.
Well, if you want to implicate Luther as a homosexual, then prove it.
At least he was MARRIED, which is better than many of your popes.
And besides, since the Catholic religion ex-communicated him, I don’t see that he was any longer bound by vows he made to them.
Not to mention that PETER was married and a number of priests even today still leave the priesthood to marry, and I don’t see you all holding them to the same standards that you hold Luther to, nor condemning them the way you condemn Luther.
Don’t be hypocritical.
He wasn't right when his argument came down to "Dr Martin Luther will have it so!".
Luther certainly had his errors, some of which were Catholic ones, but source and context please for these, unless you will be relegated to being another parroting pasting polemicist as the ones who typically provide these are.
For extensive help, search here: http://beggarsallreformation.blogspot.com/p/obscure-luther-quotes.html or here: http://beggarsallreformation.blogspot.com/2005/12/martin-luther-topical-master-index-for.html
He wasn't right when he wrote "On the Jews and their Lies.
And do you really want to see Rome's attitude and actions regarding the Jews , which foundation Luther had?
But these are written that you may believe that Jesus is the Messiah, the Son of God, and that by believing you may have life in his name.
Then I am one; too.
Good for you; Hail fellow well met!!!
"One indeed is the universal Church of the faithful, outside which no one at all is saved, in which the priest himself is the sacrifice, Jesus Christ, whose body and blood are truly contained in the sacrament of the altar under the species of bread and wine; the bread (changed) into His body by the divine power of transubstantiation, and the wine into the blood, so that to accomplish the mystery of unity we ourselves receive from His (nature) what He Himself received from ours."
--Pope Innocent III and Lateran Council IV (A.D. 1215)
Well; THIS Prot will GLADLY stand aside and let you poor Catholics have it out with each other if you wish!
If you want to open an existing rabbit hole for further inspection; I'd suggest you'd best have a really good reason for the tangentical pathway to be followed!
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