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Flashback: Pastor Ted Haggard and his Wife talk about the Gay Sex Scandal
Oprah Show ^ | 2009

Posted on 08/19/2018 5:28:46 PM PDT by CondoleezzaProtege

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To: Mr Rogers

There was an article that was a few months ago and then reposted a few days ago about that church being humiliated.


81 posted on 08/20/2018 10:49:45 AM PDT by Biggirl ("One Lord, one faith, one baptism" - Ephesians 4:5)
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To: Mom MD; CondoleezzaProtege; mountn man; odawg
If you think finding a sex scandal in an evangelical church not even involving minors with no cover up excuses the systematic evil in the RCC that goes all the way to the top in Rome knock yourself out.

If you think finding a sex scandal in an evangelical church not even involving minors with no cover up excuses the systematic evil in the RCC that goes all the way to the top in Rome knock yourself out. If you think finding a sex scandal in an evangelical church not even involving minors with no cover up excuses the systematic evil in the RCC that goes all the way to the top in Rome knock yourself out >

It is sad that the most recent exposure of widespread sexual abuse of boys has results in a competition btwn Catholicism and evangelicals of who is worse, but if you want to compare what Catholic actually attest to versus evangelicals then there is plenty of data .

The present issue is not only sexual abuse, but also the manner of it, and the cover up and manner and degree of resistance when accused, and .of restitution. My focus has been on the homosexual abuse, which i think is most harmful.

It’s interesting the behavior of certain RCC here. They cannot contain their glee at finding sin in another but refuse to see it or denounce it in their own fold. I take no joy in what is happening to your denomination but mourn for how it brings dishonor to the name of Christ. I sincerely hope your hierarchy repents and cleans house. The same as any congregation or system should deal with sin. Being mindful of the Lord's words against duplicity. one thing all should agree on is that in any case of accusation ( even if not the extreme matters of these cases) we need to first ask ourselves if we are in degree or way guilty of what is being charged, including covering up sin, or not confessing to others how we have transgressed against them in some way without them knowing it. I think i may have some left to do myself.

82 posted on 08/20/2018 11:21:18 AM PDT by daniel1212 (Trust the risen Lord Jesus to save you as a damned and destitute sinner + be baptized + follow Him)
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To: odawg
"...a lot of stories lately, all of a sudden, about sex perverts in Protestant bodies. Wonder why..."

If only they were allowed to marry!

83 posted on 08/20/2018 12:03:35 PM PDT by T-Bone Texan (I posit that there IS something left worth fighting for.)
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To: Mom MD
"...I take no joy in what is happening to your denomination but mourn for how it brings dishonor to the name of Christ...."

Finally, a grown up in the room!

84 posted on 08/20/2018 12:05:53 PM PDT by T-Bone Texan (I posit that there IS something left worth fighting for.)
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To: Biggirl
Would it surprise you that two other churches, the SBC and a church by the name of Willowcreek were both hit with sexual abuse issues. Kid you not.

These incidents in a few scattered prot/evang churches unconnected to one another do not constitute the same level of deeply entrenched and institutionalized scandal in the RCC at all. Not at all. There are perverts in every walk of life, and that is no surprise. It is the response to evidence of perversion that matters. The RC has failed miserably at that since the infiltration by the communists in the 60s. Face it and demand change, and let the prots worry about their own churches.

85 posted on 08/20/2018 5:51:45 PM PDT by Albion Wilde (Interrupt Obama and reporters are racist; interrupt Trump and they're heroes. --Mark Levin)
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To: Blue House Sue

I think your obvious enjoyment of repeating “gay hooker” sounds like the Church Lady. Self-righteousness is not a good look for Christians.


86 posted on 08/20/2018 5:56:08 PM PDT by Albion Wilde (Interrupt Obama and reporters are racist; interrupt Trump and they're heroes. --Mark Levin)
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To: Albion Wilde

I’m really sorry that I offended your sensibilities using the term ‘gay hooker.’

Now, what term would your prefer I use to describe a homosexual that trades gay sex for cash?


87 posted on 08/20/2018 6:45:07 PM PDT by Blue House Sue
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To: Blue House Sue

I’d prefer that you pray and repent in intercession for the recently-named 300 criminal child abusers and for healing for the more than 1,000 damaged children. I think it might please the Lord a great deal more than gloating over a 15-year-old story about a single errant Baptist.


88 posted on 08/20/2018 6:57:29 PM PDT by Albion Wilde (Interrupt Obama and reporters are racist; interrupt Trump and they're heroes. --Mark Levin)
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To: Blue House Sue

Shooting crystal meth for him was not a choice. He was born that way.


89 posted on 08/20/2018 6:59:38 PM PDT by Yaelle
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To: Albion Wilde

“I’d prefer that you pray and repent in intercession for the recently-named 300 criminal child abusers and for healing for the more than 1,000 damaged children. I think it might please the Lord a great deal more than gloating over a 15-year-old story about a single errant Baptist.”

Unfortunately, I think your estimate of 300 criminal child abusers and a single errant Baptist is far too low.


90 posted on 08/20/2018 7:24:54 PM PDT by Blue House Sue
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To: Biggirl
About the dangers of throwing stones in glass houses.

Works both ways then.

91 posted on 08/21/2018 6:22:22 AM PDT by daniel1212 (Trust the risen Lord Jesus to save you as a damned and destitute sinner + be baptized + follow Him)
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To: Salvation

I do think of most catholics as allies, I just wish more would read the good ol KJV for themselves.

Historically speaking, we’ve never been in a situation like this. Evil has always been trying to subjugate the masses, but now they have technology to heavily influence and control a lot of people. The truth is more important now than ever.


92 posted on 08/21/2018 7:36:25 AM PDT by Bulwyf
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To: Bulwyf

I do think of most catholics as allies, I just wish more would read the good ol KJV for themselves.


And that is the proper thinking. We believe in the holy catholic(universal) church.


93 posted on 08/21/2018 7:40:31 AM PDT by PeterPrinciple (Thinking Caps are no longer being issued but there must be a warehouse full of them somewhere.)
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To: PeterPrinciple

To be clear, I mean allies against tyranny. The catholic church is no true church, the true Catholic Church is actually heresy against God. A lot of catholics don’t follow true catholicism though, and many are actually Christians and don’t know it.

Anyone who prays to dead people though, or Mary, or believes in purgatory, or that Mary is queen of heaven etc is not of God. I just wanted to clarify.


94 posted on 08/21/2018 12:05:56 PM PDT by Bulwyf
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