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Flashback: Pastor Ted Haggard and his Wife talk about the Gay Sex Scandal
Oprah Show ^ | 2009

Posted on 08/19/2018 5:28:46 PM PDT by CondoleezzaProtege

Ted Haggard was once one of the most power evangelical leaders in America.

New Life Church leader Ted Haggard was once one of America's most charismatic and powerful evangelical leaders, with an audience of more than 30 million people. Ted began counseling foreign dignitaries and consulting on a weekly basis with President George W. Bush. By 2005, Time magazine named him one of the most influential evangelicals in America.

But no one—not even his devoted wife, five children and his Colorado Springs, Colorado-based congregation—suspected that Ted was paying an admitted male escort for crystal meth. In November 2006, Mike Jones publicly alleged he'd engaged in a three-year sexual relationship with the pastor, which Ted immediately denied. Three days after the scandal broke and after a voice mail featuring Ted asking Mike for drugs was released, Ted's story unraveled. Eventually, Ted admitted to sexual immorality and to buying drugs. He later resigned from the church he helped to found.

In his first television interview since the scandal, Ted talks with Oprah about why he kept secret a part of his life he calls dark and repulsive...

Ted says he and Gayle, as church leaders, made their private lives more public than many others in their position. "We were very open, very transparent, about everything—except this one area of my heart," he says.

Why did he keep such an important part of his life hidden from his church? "I thought it would go away," Ted says. "Unfortunately, that's the state in a lot of leadership roles. And when you're in a leadership role, whether it's political or a religious leadership role, that exists. And I'm not saying that as an excuse."

(Excerpt) Read more at oprah.com ...


TOPICS: Ecumenism; Evangelical Christian; Moral Issues; Religion & Culture
KEYWORDS: butthurtcatholic; celibacy; deflection; diggingupbones; glasshouses; haggard; homosexualagenda; hypocrisy; moralequivalancy; notchurchwide; pastor; tedhaggard
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To: kelly4c

Couldn’t agree more The RCC needs to be purged top down. It has become a crime syndicate of drugs pedophilia and massive coverups. The posting of these is a simple dodge to deflect attention rather than condemn the indefensible

That said I will NOT defend the indefensible in a Protestant congregation either no matter how small in comparison. It pains me to see so many RCC here tying themselves in pretzels to avoid calling systematic evil what it is


61 posted on 08/20/2018 5:03:12 AM PDT by Mom MD ( .)
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To: Blue House Sue

I agree....however it was never reported to the authorities. Therein lays part of the problem....If or not she was raped was questionable ‘by the girls parents’ as she was already sexually active before this. The idea was however that the Pastor was removed regardless, if she was a willing participant or not..she was still 14 yrs. old by law a minor.


62 posted on 08/20/2018 5:58:23 AM PDT by caww
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To: CondoleezzaProtege

I love how they lie without any hesitation.


63 posted on 08/20/2018 5:59:21 AM PDT by AppyPappy (Don't mistake your dorm political discussions with the desires of the nation)
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To: Blue House Sue

I’ll splain you how this works.

1) Lie about it. Blame people for baseless accusations and faithlessness
2) Tearful confession
3) Go to rehab and declare they are healed
4) Blame others for “throwing the first stone”, “judging”.
5) Justify by claiming they have a “disease” IOW it wasn’t their fault. They are the victim.


64 posted on 08/20/2018 6:05:43 AM PDT by AppyPappy (Don't mistake your dorm political discussions with the desires of the nation)
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To: metmom

Billy Graham’s grandson:

A Liberty University law professor and grandson of Billy Graham told reporters Sept. 26 that he thinks evangelicals “are worse” than Catholics when it comes to responding to sexual abuse by clergy.

“Protestants can be very arrogant when pointing to Catholics,” Boz Tchividjian, executive director of Godly Response to Abuse in the Christian Environment (GRACE), told journalists attending the Religion Newswriters Association conference in Austin, Texas.

“The Protestant culture is defined by independence,” Tchividjian said in comments reported by Religion News Service.

Evangelicals often frown upon transparency and accountability, he said, as many Protestants rely on Scripture more than religious leaders, compared to Catholics. Abusers discourage whistle-blowing by condemning gossip to try to keep people from reporting abuse, he said. Victims are also told to protect the reputation of Jesus.

Tchividjian said too many Protestant institutions have sacrificed souls in order to protect their institutions. “We’ve got the Gospels backwards,” he said.

Advocates for victims of clergy-sex abuse agreed.

“I say ‘thank you’ to Boz Tchividjian for continuing to publicly speak out about the extent of clergy abuse and cover-ups among evangelicals,” said Christa Brown, a blogger who details her uphill battle to report her molestation decades earlier by a Southern Baptist youth minister in a 2009 book titled This Little Light: Beyond a Baptist Preacher Predator and His Gang.

“For those of us — and we are many — who were abused by the sexual predation of evangelical ministers and re-abused by the bullying of other evangelical leaders who wanted the abuse kept quiet, Tchividjian’s words of truth are a balm for the heart,” Brown said.

More at:

https://religionnews.com/2013/09/26/billy-grahams-grandson-evangelicals-worse-catholic-church-sex-abuse/


65 posted on 08/20/2018 6:06:01 AM PDT by CondoleezzaProtege
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To: odawg; CondoleezzaProtege
Sure seems to be a lot of stories lately, all of a sudden, about sex perverts in Protestant bodies. Wonder why?

Its damage control. She tried the Luther-Hitler-Jews connection and which resulted in Catholic antisemitism being exposes, versus evangelical favor of them, and now, as said in the last attempt by to take the focus off the latest exposure of the tragic abuse in Catholicism (mostly recent treads),

Yes we and I all have sinned, and thank God there is forgiveness if we are penitent in faith, yet some sins directly hurt others and sexual abuse of kids is most intolerable. But as posted as a comparison? A young church volunteer versus ordained priests in long-term abuse of boys,often shuffled around from parish to parish, and accusations of sexual abuse of women versus Catholic homosexual predators.

Which posting is the RC response to articles such as How the Church Hoodwinked Its Anti-Abuse Experts

Cardinal Burke: 'Very Grave Problem of Homosexual Culture in the ... www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3679990/posts 3 days ago - 20 posts - ‎16 authors “we have a very grave problem of a homosexual culture in the Church,” Burke said

[Cath Cauc] Bishop Morlino: Homosexual Subculture in Church ... www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/3680348/posts 2 days ago - 2 posts - ‎1 author We are talking about deviant sexual — almost exclusively homosexual — acts by clerics.

HIERARCHY KEEPS GAY PRIEST CRISIS IN THE CLOSET [Catholic Caucus ... www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/3545273/posts Apr 18, 2017 - 3 posts - ‎2 authors Fr. Oko: "There is most definitely a problem with homosexual bishops in the universal Church"

Pedophilia By Any Other Name Is Still Homosexuality - Free Republic www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/3646564/posts Apr 10, 2018 - 20 posts - ‎16 authors [These facts allow] us to say clearly that the problem in the Catholic Church is not pedophilia but homosexuality.

Report details sexual abuse by more than 300 priests in Pennsylvania's Catholic Church 8/17/2018, 7:58:44 PM · by buffyt · 54 replies CNN ^ | August 15, 2018 | By Daniel Burke and Susannah Cullinane A new grand jury report says that internal documents from six Catholic dioceses in Pennsylvania show that more than 300 "predator priests" have been credibly accused of sexually abusing more than 1,000 child victims. "We believe that the real number of children whose records were lost or who were afraid ever to come forward is in the thousands," the grand jury report says. "Priests were raping little boys and girls, and the men of God who were responsible for them not only did nothing; they hid it all. For decades. Monsignors, auxiliary bishops, bishops, archbishops, cardinals have mostly been protected;..

How homosexual priests have created "gay affirming" dissident ... www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/3558129/posts Jun 2, 2017 - 20 posts - ‎18 authors There is a major homosexual takeover crisis in the Catholic Church. The result of ... There are estimates that the number of homosexual clergy could be between 50-70%.

Pro-LGBT Catholic priest blasts brother priest for opposing Gay Pride 7/21/2018, 11:31:57 PM · by ebb tide · 3 replies

Also,'

Missouri Bishop: Homosexuality at Root of Abuse Crisis - Free Republic www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/3679118/posts Aug 9, 2018 - 5 posts - ‎4 authors Bp. Edward Rice backs article slamming gay infiltration of Church

Pro-Gay Chicago Catholic Priests Send Open Letter Ripping "Vile ... www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1045452/posts Dec 22, 2003 - 20 posts - ‎15 authors AN OPEN LETTER TO THE HIERARCHY OF THE ROMAN CATHOLIC CHURCH REGARDING THE PASTORAL CARE OF GAY

How homosexual priests have created "gay affirming" dissident ... www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/3558129/posts Jun 2, 2017 - 20 posts - ‎18 authors There is a major homosexual takeover crisis in the Catholic Church. The result of decades of infiltration in the priesthood

Cardinal Burke: U.S. Catholic Church in 'Possibly the Worst Crisis ... www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/3680528/posts?page=1 4 days ago - 20 posts - ‎18 authors August 16, 2018 (LifeSiteNews) – The Catholic Church in the U.S. is undergoing ... sex abuse scandals and the laity's distrust for bishops who play a part in it. ... D.C., had sexually harassed and abused seminarians and priests over decades.

Report details sexual abuse by more than 300 priests in ... https://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/3680104/posts 19 posts - ‎12 authors Report details sexual abuse by more than 300 priests in Pennsylvania's Catholic Church · CNN ^ | August 15, 2018 | By Daniel Burke and Susannah Cullinane.

Finally, rather than secularism being the answer:

Forgotten Study: Abuse in School 100 Times Worse than by Priests ... https://www.lifesitenews.com/.../forgotten-study-abuse-in-school-100-times-worse-tha... Apr 1, 2010 - Outside of the Church, Shakeshaft is not alone in highlighting the largely unaddressed, and unpublicized problem of child sex abuse in schools

66 posted on 08/20/2018 6:14:52 AM PDT by daniel1212 (Trust the risen Lord Jesus to save you as a damned and destitute sinner + be baptized + follow Him)
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To: CondoleezzaProtege

“Look over there!! Ignore systemic the evil of Rome!!”


67 posted on 08/20/2018 7:02:55 AM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion
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To: caww

“I agree....however it was never reported to the authorities.”

You were aware of the rape of a child and you elected not to report it to the authorities?


68 posted on 08/20/2018 7:03:45 AM PDT by Blue House Sue
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To: servantboy777

“In the end...this guyz sin is no greater than mine or yours or the next persons.”

Sure I have sinned, but my sins never included gay hookers, crystal meth, and swindling Christians out of their hard earned cash.


69 posted on 08/20/2018 7:16:07 AM PDT by Blue House Sue
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To: Mom MD

Perfect response. Thank you. I’m tired of the gloating about others acting in isolation by those who should be repenting of the organized disgrace and criminality in their own back yard.


70 posted on 08/20/2018 7:55:13 AM PDT by Albion Wilde (Interrupt Obama and reporters are racist; interrupt Trump and they're heroes. --Mark Levin)
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To: Blue House Sue
I understand. These sorts of sins are pretty freaking offensive...but I'm pretty sure God sees all sin as an offense to Him. Certain places in scripture,conveys how God feels about homosexuality...theft...harming children, but scripture (not trying to lecture, just pointing to) also appears to convey..drunkards, liars, adulterers, fornicators, back biters...and so forth will not inherit the kingdom w/o the saving grace of our Savior.

Would you not agree? If ol Teddy turned from it, sincerely began the effort of healing and asked for forgiveness (which was provided even before he asked), he will be just fine.

Not my words...this would be God's.

71 posted on 08/20/2018 7:57:43 AM PDT by servantboy777
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To: CondoleezzaProtege

The truth NEEDS to be told.


72 posted on 08/20/2018 8:00:37 AM PDT by Biggirl ("One Lord, one faith, one baptism" - Ephesians 4:5)
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To: Blue House Sue
It seems to be giving you a vicarious thrill to repeat the words "gay hooker" over and over and over.

Having a dry spell in real life?

Feeling covetous?

Into titillation?

Lost your copy of Fifty Shades of Gray?

73 posted on 08/20/2018 8:05:49 AM PDT by Albion Wilde (Interrupt Obama and reporters are racist; interrupt Trump and they're heroes. --Mark Levin)
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To: CondoleezzaProtege

It is the realization that horrible sexual abuse sins is not confined to just one church. Thank-you for detailing what needs to be told. God Bless.


74 posted on 08/20/2018 8:06:45 AM PDT by Biggirl ("One Lord, one faith, one baptism" - Ephesians 4:5)
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To: Biggirl
Just pointing out that it is not just an issue in the RCC.

We prot/evangs are way ahead of you guys on that. Wake up.

75 posted on 08/20/2018 8:10:56 AM PDT by Albion Wilde (Interrupt Obama and reporters are racist; interrupt Trump and they're heroes. --Mark Levin)
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To: Albion Wilde

“It seems to be giving you a vicarious thrill to repeat the words “gay hooker” over and over and over.”

Do you find the term “gay hooker” to be perjoritive?

Is there a more politically correct term you would prefer I use to refer to a homosexual that trades gay sex for cash?


76 posted on 08/20/2018 8:14:26 AM PDT by Blue House Sue
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To: Albion Wilde

Rather the Pope has. He put out a letter tiday. Read a few postings this weekend. The bishop of a Madison WI pulled no punches. He was very angry.

Keep an eye on the laity. They are fit to be tied.


77 posted on 08/20/2018 9:10:31 AM PDT by Biggirl ("One Lord, one faith, one baptism" - Ephesians 4:5)
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To: Albion Wilde

Would it surprise you that two other churches, the SBC and a church by the name of Willowcreek were both hit with sexual abuse issues.

Kid you not.


78 posted on 08/20/2018 9:56:58 AM PDT by Biggirl ("One Lord, one faith, one baptism" - Ephesians 4:5)
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To: CondoleezzaProtege
"VICE: How big of a problem is child sexual abuse for Protestant churches?

Basyle "Boz" Tchividjian: It's hard to answer that with any degree of certainty, because the research out there is pretty minimal. If you accept the general statistic that one in four women and one in six men will have been sexually victimized before they turn 18, then you have to acknowledge that those same people are inside of our churches and faith communities. So if you had 100 men and 100 women in your church, 20.5 percent of your church would be survivors of child sexual abuse."

Wouldn't quote someone who thinks like that in judging the level of sexual abuse in Protestant churches.

79 posted on 08/20/2018 10:35:49 AM PDT by Mr Rogers (Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools)
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To: Biggirl

The SBC has not been hit with sexual abuse accusations. The SBC has been hit with accusations that respected leaders recommended (in the 60s) a woman to stay with an abusive husband. And the same guy admitted men notice when a beautiful teen girl walks by - as I do, at 60. I don’t drool over them. But I notice!

As the saying goes, you can’t prevent a bird from landing on your head, but you can prevent it from building a nest there...

I’m 100% certain that among the 45,0000 member churches in the SBC, there has been sexual abuse. But it is not systemic and it doesn’t involve higher church leaders covering things up BECAUSE THERE ARE NO HIGHER CHURCH LEADERS IN THE SBC. Each congregation is autonomous. Each one does its own hiring & firing, and no one can transfer anyone anywhere.

It also rarely involves homosexuality, although it SOMETIMES does.


80 posted on 08/20/2018 10:44:12 AM PDT by Mr Rogers (Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools)
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