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To: aMorePerfectUnion
This is from the Bible. Did it get taken out of yours? John 3:5

Jesus answered, "Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God.

I'll take these words of Jesus any day. Why don't you?

48 posted on 08/11/2018 12:27:45 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Salvation

So you believe non-baptized children go to hell. Got it.


51 posted on 08/11/2018 12:29:59 PM PDT by TheZMan (I am a secessionist.)
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To: Salvation
Jesus answered, "Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God.

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Beautiful.

56 posted on 08/11/2018 12:32:28 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: Salvation
Jesus answered, "Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God.

Baptism not necessary to be saved.

58 posted on 08/11/2018 12:34:11 PM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion
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To: Salvation; Mr Rogers
This is from the Bible. Did it get taken out of yours? John 3:5 Jesus answered, "Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God. I'll take these words of Jesus any day. Why don't you?

Of course we are to take them any day, but unlike those who abuse Scripture by isolationist exegesis, including making the gospels interpretive of how the NT church believe them, we are to examine words in context and in the light of all Scripture.

one can enter heaven unless he has been born again of water and the Holy Spirit (John 3:5).

Which nowhere mentions baptism as being referred to, and instead, as is characteristic of John, the physical and the spiritual are set in juxtaposition:

Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother’s womb, and be born? Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. (John 3:4-5)

"Born of water corresponds to the mention of physical birth by Nicodemus. Likewise that which follows,

That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. (John 3:6)

Thus there are only two kinds of birth, of water and the Spirit. of flesh and Spirit

And Acts 10+15 is the definitive teaching on this, in which lost souls heard the gospel, and were promise forgiveness if they believed, and which they manifestly did, and then were baptized, God having purified their heart by faith.

To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins. While Peter yet spake these words, the Holy Ghost fell on all them which heard the word. And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost. For they heard them speak with tongues, and magnify God. Then answered Peter, Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we? (Acts 10:43-47)

And when there had been much disputing, Peter rose up, and said unto them, Men and brethren, ye know how that a good while ago God made choice among us, that the Gentiles by my mouth should hear the word of the gospel, and believe. And God, which knoweth the hearts, bare them witness, giving them the Holy Ghost, even as he did unto us; And put no difference between us and them, purifying their hearts by faith. (Acts 15:7-9)

Which reveals that it was the faith behind baptism in Acts 2:38 that effected regeneration, for as said, since baptism properly requires and expresses faith, so the promise of the Spirit is made to those repent and are baptized in identification with their Lord Jesus.

The promise is not that the act itself of baptism effects regeneration, nor by proxy faith as in heretical Catholicism, but receiving the promise is contingent upon obeying the command, which requires repentance, which means believing.

228 posted on 08/12/2018 5:55:14 AM PDT by daniel1212 (Trust the risen Lord Jesus to save you as a damned and destitute sinner + be baptized + follow Him)
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