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Why infant baptism?
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| 08-01-18
| Msgr. Charles Pope
Posted on 08/11/2018 10:24:01 AM PDT by Salvation
Why infant baptism? Practices have shifted for some Christians, but Catholics are with those who hold to infant baptism
Msgr. Charles Pope 8/1/2018
Question: Since infant baptism is becoming controversial, why doesn’t the Church abandon the practice or emphasize individualized confirmation for older teens? —Robert Bonsignore, Brooklyn, N.Y.
Answer: I am unaware of any recent controversy about infant baptism in the Church. There have been Protestant groups opposed to infant baptism, but their views stretch back more than 200 years. Ironically today, it is the Baptists and their evangelical offshoots that are most opposed to the practice. But for the record, most “mainline” Protestant denominations do baptize infants, including Anglicans, Lutherans, Presbyterians, Methodists, Congregationalists and other Reformed denominations, such as the Moravian Church. The Orthodox Churches also observe this ancient practice. In the Catholic Church we baptize infants because that is what we have always done. While Scripture doesn’t directly mention the practice, the reference to the baptism of “whole households” includes infants.
Further, St. Peter in Acts includes children when he requires baptism: “‘Repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins; and you will receive the gift of the holy Spirit. For the promise is made to you and to your children and to all those far off, whomever the Lord our God will call’” (Acts 2:38-39).
St. Paul says: “In [Christ] you were circumcised with a circumcision not administered by hand, by stripping off the carnal body, with the circumcision of Christ. You were buried with him in baptism …” (Col 2:11-12). Calling baptism the “circumcision of Christ” links it to a practice performed on the eighth day after birth. The analogy seems far less meaningful or sensible if only adults were baptized.
And, of course, Jesus said, “Let the children come to me; do not prevent them, for the kingdom of God belongs to such as these” (Mk 10:14). But later he adds, “Amen, amen, I say to you, no one can enter the kingdom of God without being born of water and Spirit” (Jn 3:5). So the little children belong to the kingdom but must enter in the water of baptism and the grace of the Holy Spirit.
Finally, as to the practice of the early Church, infant baptism is clearly attested in numerous places. Hippolytus wrote in 215 A.D. about baptizing households or large groups: “Baptize first the children, and if they can speak for themselves let them do so. Otherwise, let their parents or other relatives speak for them” (“The Apostolic Tradition” 21:16).
As for confirmation, there is a widespread practice today in the Latin rite of delaying it until the teenage years. But this practice is only in the last hundred years. When Pope St. Pius X moved the reception of first Communion to age 7, confirmation was not similarly adjusted. This created an unnatural alteration in the order of the sacraments. Yet, our ancient custom is that confirmation is to be received before First Communion. This order is preserved today in the baptism of adults. In some dioceses there has been a restoration of the ancient order of the sacraments. Thus confirmation is given just prior to first Communion. While there are debates about when to give confirmation and how to teach of it, it is inarguably true that we are currently out of sync with our own tradition in the Latin rite.
In the Eastern rites of the Catholic Church, confirmation and communion are given to infants on the day of baptism. Thus, an infant is fully initiated at baptism.
TOPICS: Apologetics; Catholic; History; Theology
KEYWORDS: baptism; catholic; sacraments
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To: aMorePerfectUnion
And Protestants that perform infant baptisms see it the same way. In fact, I heard it more than once that infant dedications are just waterless baptisms.
Just because the RCC imbues baptism with mystic properties does not invalidate the practice.
To: TheZMan
Sorry I was confused. Limitations of the medium!
To: kosciusko51; aMorePerfectUnion
“That is the same number of post-Pentecost infant dedications in the NT as well.”
At the dedications I’ve been to, the people in the church promise to try to help the child grow up with Christian support. I doubt any Apostles would have a problem with that.
I do think they might wonder how “believe and be baptized” was turned into “be baptized and maybe someday believe”.
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posted on
08/11/2018 12:38:43 PM PDT
by
Mr Rogers
(Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools)
To: aMorePerfectUnion
:P Re-read my replies starting at 35 if you have time.
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posted on
08/11/2018 12:40:21 PM PDT
by
TheZMan
(I am a secessionist.)
To: aMorePerfectUnion
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>> “No. He does not.” <<
Actually, yes she does. She has so stated many times.
There are many here that really believe that the rituals of the RCC are what save.
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65
posted on
08/11/2018 12:41:27 PM PDT
by
editor-surveyor
(Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
To: aMorePerfectUnion; Salvation
Let’s expand a little on John 3:5 -
3 Jesus replied, Truly I tell you, unless someone is born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.
4 How can anyone be born when he is old? Nicodemus asked him. Can he enter his mothers womb a second time and be born?
5 Jesus answered, Truly I tell you, unless someone is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God. 6 Whatever is born of the flesh is flesh, and whatever is born of the Spirit is spirit.”
Seems pretty obvious water and spirit refers to being born in the flesh and being born again in the spirit. Sure matches the context.
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posted on
08/11/2018 12:43:35 PM PDT
by
Mr Rogers
(Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools)
To: Mr Rogers
I do think they might wonder how “believe and be baptized” was turned into “be baptized and maybe someday believe”. It is a good question.
I suspect sometime as the church in Rome shifted from Salvation via faith to their current (and false) treasury of merit distributed via a sacramental system.
To: kosciusko51
Just because the RCC imbues baptism with mystic properties does not invalidate the practice. As long as people are not taught that water baptism saves a child, no problem.
But is is a ceremony that is not Biblical, so leadership must teach correctly.
To: Salvation
“Why infant baptism?”
Because people still like made-up stuff? Just a guess.
To: editor-surveyor
I take that to more mean to share with others. I, personally, believe that a priest is simply another person, not someone with the ability to give me forgiveness. I should have phrased it better. I go directly to God to confess my sins and ask for forgiveness.
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posted on
08/11/2018 12:58:26 PM PDT
by
ozaukeemom
(9/11/01 Never Forget. Never.)
To: aMorePerfectUnion
I see more support by inference for infant baptism than I do for infant dedications in the NT. But I have never see either side say the ceremony was un-Biblical.
To: Mr Rogers
To: ozaukeemom
But you do not know if your sins are forgiven.
In the Sacrament of Penance we know that God forgives our sins and then forgets them.
The formula of absolution used in the Latin Church expresses the essential elements of this sacrament: The Father of mercies is the source of all forgiveness. He effects the reconciliation of sinners through the Passover of his Son and the gift of his Spirit, through the prayer and ministry of the Church:
God, the Father of mercies, through the death and the resurrection of his Son has reconciled the world to himself and sent the Holy Spirit among us for the forgiveness of sins; through the ministry of the Church may God give you pardon and peace, and I absolve you from your sins in the name of the Father, and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit.
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posted on
08/11/2018 1:02:16 PM PDT
by
Salvation
("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
To: ozaukeemom
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Confessing to your peers is the important part.
It seals your honesty to them.
Its the opposite of being a ‘pharisee.’
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posted on
08/11/2018 1:02:36 PM PDT
by
editor-surveyor
(Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
To: kosciusko51
I see more support by inference for infant baptism than I do for infant dedications in the NT. But I have never see either side say the ceremony was un-Biblical.
"The idea of dedicating a child to the Lord can certainly be found in the Bible. Hannah was a barren wife who promised to dedicate her child to God if He would give her a son (1 Samuel 1:11). Luke 2:22 begins the account of Mary and Joseph taking Jesus to the temple after forty days in order to dedicate Him to the Lord. This was slightly more involved since it involved a sacrifice, but once again this ceremony did not indicate any level of salvation. https://www.gotquestions.org/baby-dedication.html
There are no examples of baptizing infants in the NT.
There are no commands to baptize infants in the NT - which is strange, if it saves.
To: ozaukeemom
Are you not familiar with Christ telling the apostles, "Whose sins you shall forgive, they are forgiven them. Whose sins you shall retain, they are retained."????
Those powers are passed down from Christ through the Bishop when he ordains a priest.
You might want to do a little more research on this matter.
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posted on
08/11/2018 1:04:52 PM PDT
by
Salvation
("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
To: Salvation
Those powers are passed down from Christ through the Bishop when he ordains a priest. Nah, just an old Roman Wives tale.
To: aMorePerfectUnion
The ceremony is Biblical.
Christ's words, "Go therefore to all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit." Or is that missing from your Bible, too?
78
posted on
08/11/2018 1:06:36 PM PDT
by
Salvation
("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
To: aMorePerfectUnion
May God assist you with your unbelief.
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posted on
08/11/2018 1:10:07 PM PDT
by
Salvation
("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
To: aMorePerfectUnion
And dedications in the OT were far more serious than just bringing up the child in the Jewish. The OT examples meant that their lives were to be in complete service of God.
Furthermore, I do not see infant dedications being taught to the NT church. I would have to do some study to see when this practice was introduced.
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