More Roman Catholic Catechism Changes?

Pastoral Meanderings ^ | 08-10-2018 | Pastor Peters (LCMS)

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A week or so ago the Vatican announced a change in the Catechism of the Catholic Church which changed the teaching regarding the capital punishment.  It was now deemed inadmissible -- whatever that means -- or no longer moral (though Scripture clearly allows this).  Now another change, perhaps more devious and clandestine than the announced change on the death penalty.  This represents the removal of one sentence and replacing it with something that is completely different, one that fails to acknowledge homosexuality to be objectively disordered and instead sympathetically suggests that homosexual tendency is not at all a choice but a condition natural to their birth.  Perhaps this is how Pope Francis plans to change the doctrine of the Roman Catholic Church, a few words at a time.  If that is the case, who knows where this will lead and who is checking the catechism on a daily basis to see what changes have crept in.

This is another version of change that comes not openly or by consideration but through the back door -- an attempt to re-define the faith without telling anyone about it.  Lutherans may only be interested in this for curiosity' sake but we would do well to remember the principle.  The most dangerous change comes through the back door and not through open consideration of that change and its debate on the basis of Scripture and the fathers.  

http://www.vatican.va/archive/ENG0015/__P85.HTM

2358 The number of men and women who have deep-seated homosexual tendencies is not negligible. This inclination, which is objectively disordered, constitutes for most of them a trial. They must be accepted with respect, compassion, and sensitivity. Every sign of unjust discrimination in their regard should be avoided. These persons are called to fulfill God’s will in their lives and, if they are Christians, to unite to the sacrifice of the Lord’s Cross the difficulties they may encounter from their condition.

http://www.vatican.va/archive/ENG0015/_P85.HTM

2358 The number of men and women who have deep-seated homosexual tendencies is not negligible. They do not choose their homosexual condition; for most of them it is a trial. They must be accepted with respect, compassion, and sensitivity. Every sign of unjust discrimination in their regard should be avoided. These persons are called to fulfill God’s will in their lives and, if they are Christians, to unite to the sacrifice of the Lord’s Cross the difficulties they may encounter from their condition.

It appears that They do not choose their homosexual condition was in the text until something about 2004 or so when the text was changed to This inclination, which is objectively disordered.  While it may, indeed, be true of at least some that they do not choose their homosexual condition, this is a point unrelated to the issue of objectively disordered.  Children are born with many conditions not of their choice but the result of a sinful world in which brokenness exists not only in material condition but in spiritual and in which desire is tainted by sin as much as act and choice.  Yet, the question remains why changes like this would not be transparent and why there would not be explanation for the change.  Coupled with Pope Francis' words that God made them gay, this represents a distinct softening of the previous stance and a shift away from the very idea that homosexuality is disordered.  If that is the case, then my premise still stands.  The most dangerous changes in the faith are the ones that enter through the back door without debate and not necessarily the ones on which discussion or even a vote is taken.  Too often, the discussion follows the acceptance of change and the vote merely affirms the change already embedded in the hearts and minds of the people.

 

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Gotcha. What bothers me is he apparently wants to water down or eliminate some moral teachings. This is all too reminiscent of Obama trying so hard to water down or eliminate moral principles - except I never expected it from a pope

[fortes fortuna juvat]

Is Sola Scriptura itself a doctrine found within scripture? If so, it’s exceedingly peculiar that no theologian managed to discover it during the first 1,500 years of Christianity!

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“Fruits” of the Second Vatican Council.

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Is Sola Scriptura itself a doctrine found within scripture? If so, it’s exceedingly peculiar that no theologian managed to discover it during the first 1,500 years of Christianity!

Just only the writers of the Old and New Testament

Let's allow the Scriptures to speak for themselves as to the importance of reliance upon only the Scriptures.

Word search on “write” from Biblegateway.com using NASB translation.

Exodus 17:14 Then the Lord said to Moses, “Write this in a book as a memorial and recite it to Joshua, that I will utterly blot out the memory of Amalek from under heaven.”

Exodus 34:1 [ The Two Tablets Replaced ] Now the Lord said to Moses, “Cut out for yourself two stone tablets like the former ones, and I will write on the tablets the words that were on the former tablets which you shattered.

Exodus 34:27 Then the Lord said to Moses, “Write down these words, for in accordance with these words I have made a covenant with you and with Israel.”

Numbers 5:23 ‘The priest shall then write these curses on a scroll, and he shall wash them off into the water of bitterness.

Numbers 17:2 “Speak to the sons of Israel, and get from them a rod for each father’s household: twelve rods, from all their leaders according to their fathers’ households. You shall write each name on his rod,

Numbers 17:3 and write Aaron’s name on the rod of Levi; for there is one rod for the head of each of their fathers’ households.

Deuteronomy 6:9 You shall write them on the doorposts of your house and on your gates.

Deuteronomy 10:2 I will write on the tablets the words that were on the former tablets which you shattered, and you shall put them in the ark.’

Deuteronomy 11:20 You shall write them on the doorposts of your house and on your gates,

Deuteronomy 17:18 “Now it shall come about when he sits on the throne of his kingdom, he shall write for himself a copy of this law on a scroll in the presence of the Levitical priests.

Deuteronomy 24:1 [ Law of Divorce ] “When a man takes a wife and marries her, and it happens that she finds no favor in his eyes because he has found some indecency in her, and he writes her a certificate of divorce and puts it in her hand and sends her out from his house,

Deuteronomy 24:3 and if the latter husband turns against her and writes her a certificate of divorce and puts it in her hand and sends her out of his house, or if the latter husband dies who took her to be his wife,

Deuteronomy 27:3 and write on them all the words of this law, when you cross over, so that you may enter the land which the Lord your God gives you, a land flowing with milk and honey, as the Lord, the God of your fathers, promised you.

Deuteronomy 27:8 You shall write on the stones all the words of this law very distinctly.”

Deuteronomy 31:19 “Now therefore, write this song for yourselves, and teach it to the sons of Israel; put it on their lips, so that this song may be a witness for Me against the sons of Israel.

Joshua 18:4 Provide for yourselves three men from each tribe that I may send them, and that they may arise and walk through the land and write a description of it according to their inheritance; then they shall return to me.

Ezra 5:6 [ Adversaries Write to Darius ] This is the copy of the letter which Tattenai, the governor of the province beyond the River, and Shethar-bozenai and his colleagues the officials, who were beyond the River, sent to Darius the king.

Ezra 5:10 We also asked them their names so as to inform you, and that we might write down the names of the men who were at their head.

Esther 8:8 [ The King’s Decree Avenges the Jews ] Now you write to the Jews as you see fit, in the king’s name, and seal it with the king’s signet ring; for a decree which is written in the name of the king and sealed with the king’s signet ring may not be revoked.”

Job 13:26 “For You write bitter things against me And make me to inherit the iniquities of my youth.

Psalm 45:1 [ A Song Celebrating the King’s Marriage. ] [ For the choir director; according to the Shoshannim. A Maskil of the sons of Korah. A Song of Love. ] My heart overflows with a good theme; I address my verses to the King; My tongue is the pen of a ready writer.

Proverbs 3:3 Do not let kindness and truth leave you; Bind them around your neck, Write them on the tablet of your heart.

Proverbs 7:3 Bind them on your fingers; Write them on the tablet of your heart.

Ecclesiastes 12:10 The Preacher sought to find delightful words and to write words of truth correctly.

Isaiah 8:1 [ Damascus and Samaria Fall ] Then the Lord said to me, “Take for yourself a large tablet and write on it in ordinary letters: Swift is the booty, speedy is the prey.

Isaiah 10:19 And the rest of the trees of his forest will be so small in number That a child could write them down.

Isaiah 30:8 Now go, write it on a tablet before them And inscribe it on a scroll, That it may serve in the time to come As a witness forever.

Isaiah 44:5 “This one will say, ‘I am the Lord’s’; And that one will call on the name of Jacob; And another will write on his hand, ‘Belonging to the Lord,’ And will name Israel’s name with honor.

Jeremiah 22:30 “Thus says the Lord, ‘Write this man down childless, A man who will not prosper in his days; For no man of his descendants will prosper Sitting on the throne of David Or ruling again in Judah.’”

Jeremiah 30:2 “Thus says the Lord, the God of Israel, ‘Write all the words which I have spoken to you in a book.

Jeremiah 31:33 “But this is the covenant which I will make with the house of Israel after those days,” declares the Lord, “I will put My law within them and on their heart I will write it; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people.

Jeremiah 36:2 “Take a scroll and write on it all the words which I have spoken to you concerning Israel and concerning Judah, and concerning all the nations, from the day I first spoke to you, from the days of Josiah, even to this day.

Jeremiah 36:17 And they asked Baruch, saying, “Tell us, please, how did you write all these words? Was it at his dictation?”

Jeremiah 36:28 “Take again another scroll and write on it all the former words that were on the first scroll which Jehoiakim the king of Judah burned.

Ezekiel 24:2 “Son of man, write the name of the day, this very day. The king of Babylon has laid siege to Jerusalem this very day.

Ezekiel 37:16 “And you, son of man, take for yourself one stick and write on it, ‘For Judah and for the sons of Israel, his companions’; then take another stick and write on it, ‘For Joseph, the stick of Ephraim and all the house of Israel, his companions.’

Ezekiel 37:20 The sticks on which you write will be in your hand before their eyes.

Ezekiel 43:11 If they are ashamed of all that they have done, make known to them the design of the house, its structure, its exits, its entrances, all its designs, all its statutes, and all its laws. And write it in their sight, so that they may observe its whole design and all its statutes and do them.

Mark 10:4 They said, “Moses permitted a man to write a certificate of divorce and send her away.”

Luke 1:3 it seemed fitting for me as well, having investigated everything carefully from the beginning, to write it out for you in consecutive order, most excellent Theophilus;

Luke 16:6 And he said, ‘A hundred measures of oil.’ And he said to him, ‘Take your bill, and sit down quickly and write fifty.’

Luke 16:7 Then he said to another, ‘And how much do you owe?’ And he said, ‘A hundred measures of wheat.’ He *said to him, ‘Take your bill, and write eighty.’

John 19:21 So the chief priests of the Jews were saying to Pilate, “Do not write, ‘The King of the Jews’; but that He said, ‘I am King of the Jews.’”

Acts 15:20 but that we write to them that they abstain from things contaminated by idols and from fornication and from what is strangled and from blood.

Acts 25:26 Yet I have nothing definite about him to write to my lord. Therefore I have brought him before you all and especially before you, King Agrippa, so that after the investigation has taken place, I may have something to write.

Romans 10:5 For Moses writes that the man who practices the righteousness which is based on law shall live by that righteousness.

Romans 16:22 I, Tertius, who write this letter, greet you in the Lord.

1 Corinthians 4:14 I do not write these things to shame you, but to admonish you as my beloved children.

1 Corinthians 14:37 If anyone thinks he is a prophet or spiritual, let him recognize that the things which I write to you are the Lord’s commandment.

2 Corinthians 1:13 For we write nothing else to you than what you read and understand, and I hope you will understand until the end;

2 Corinthians 9:1 [ God Gives Most ] For it is superfluous for me to write to you about this ministry to the saints;

Philippians 3:1 [ The Goal of Life ] Finally, my brethren, rejoice in the Lord. To write the same things again is no trouble to me, and it is a safeguard for you.

Colossians 4:18 I, Paul, write this greeting with my own hand. Remember my imprisonment. Grace be with you.

1 Thessalonians 4:9 Now as to the love of the brethren, you have no need for anyone to write to you, for you yourselves are taught by God to love one another;

2 Thessalonians 3:17 I, Paul, write this greeting with my own hand, and this is a distinguishing mark in every letter; this is the way I write.

1 Timothy 3:15 but in case I am delayed, I write so that you will know how one ought to conduct himself in the household of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and support of the truth.

Philemon 1:21 Having confidence in your obedience, I write to you, since I know that you will do even more than what I say.

Hebrews 8:10 “For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel After those days, says the Lord: I will put My laws into their minds, And I will write them on their hearts. And I will be their God, And they shall be My people.

Hebrews 10:16 “This is the covenant that I will make with them After those days, says the Lord: I will put My laws upon their heart, And on their mind I will write them,” He then says,

1 John 1:4 These things we write, so that our joy may be made complete.

2 John 1:12 Though I have many things to write to you, I do not want to do so with paper and ink; but I hope to come to you and speak face to face, so that your joy may be made full.

3 John 1:13 I had many things to write to you, but I am not willing to write them to you with pen and ink;

Jude 1:3 Beloved, while I was making every effort to write you about our common salvation, I felt the necessity to write to you appealing that you contend earnestly for the faith which was once for all handed down to the saints.

Revelation 1:11 saying, “Write in a book what you see, and send it to the seven churches: to Ephesus and to Smyrna and to Pergamum and to Thyatira and to Sardis and to Philadelphia and to Laodicea.”

Revelation 1:19 Therefore write the things which you have seen, and the things which are, and the things which will take place after these things.

Revelation 2:1 [ Message to Ephesus ] The One who holds the seven stars in His right hand, the One who walks among the seven golden lampstands, says this:

Revelation 2:8 [ Message to Smyrna ] “And to the angel of the church in Smyrna write: The first and the last, who was dead, and has come to life, says this:

Revelation 2:12 [ Message to Pergamum ] “And to the angel of the church in Pergamum write: The One who has the sharp two-edged sword says this:

Revelation 2:18 [ Message to Thyatira ] “And to the angel of the church in Thyatira write: The Son of God, who has eyes like a flame of fire, and His feet are like burnished bronze, says this:

Revelation 3:1 [ Message to Sardis ] He who has the seven Spirits of God and the seven stars, says this: ‘I know your deeds, that you have a name that you are alive, but you are dead.

Revelation 3:7 [ Message to Philadelphia ] “And to the angel of the church in Philadelphia write: He who is holy, who is true, who has the key of David, who opens and no one will shut, and who shuts and no one opens, says this:

Revelation 3:12 He who overcomes, I will make him a pillar in the temple of My God, and he will not go out from it anymore; and I will write on him the name of My God, and the name of the city of My God, the new Jerusalem, which comes down out of heaven from My God, and My new name.

Revelation 3:14 [ Message to Laodicea ] “To the angel of the church in Laodicea write: The Amen, the faithful and true Witness, the Beginning of the creation of God, says this:

Revelation 10:4 When the seven peals of thunder had spoken, I was about to write; and I heard a voice from heaven saying, “Seal up the things which the seven peals of thunder have spoken and do not write them.”

Revelation 14:13 And I heard a voice from heaven, saying, “Write, ‘Blessed are the dead who die in the Lord from now on!’” “Yes,” says the Spirit, “so that they may rest from their labors, for their deeds follow with them.”

Revelation 19:9 Then he *said to me, “Write, ‘Blessed are those who are invited to the marriage supper of the Lamb.’” And he *said to me, “These are true words of God.”

Revelation 21:5 And He who sits on the throne said, “Behold, I am making all things new.” And He *said, “Write, for these words are faithful and true.”

Word search on “it is written” from Biblegateway.com using NASB translation.

Joshua 8:31 just as Moses the servant of the Lord had commanded the sons of Israel, as it is written in the book of the law of Moses, an altar of uncut stones on which no man had wielded an iron tool; and they offered burnt offerings on it to the Lord, and sacrificed peace offerings.

2 Samuel 1:18 and he told them to teach the sons of Judah the song of the bow; behold, it is written in the book of Jashar.

2 Kings 23:21 [ Passover Reinstituted ] Then the king commanded all the people saying, “Celebrate the Passover to the Lord your God as it is written in this book of the covenant.”

2 Chronicles 23:18 Moreover, Jehoiada placed the offices of the house of the Lord under the authority of the Levitical priests, whom David had assigned over the house of the Lord, to offer the burnt offerings of the Lord, as it is written in the law of Moses—with rejoicing and singing according to the order of David.

2 Chronicles 25:4 However, he did not put their children to death, but did as it is written in the law in the book of Moses, which the Lord commanded, saying, “Fathers shall not be put to death for sons, nor sons be put to death for fathers, but each shall be put to death for his own sin.”

2 Chronicles 31:3 [ Reforms Continued ] He also appointed the king’s portion of his goods for the burnt offerings, namely, for the morning and evening burnt offerings, and the burnt offerings for the sabbaths and for the new moons and for the fixed festivals, as it is written in the law of the Lord.

2 Chronicles 35:12 Then they removed the burnt offerings that they might give them to the sections of the fathers’ households of the lay people to present to the Lord, as it is written in the book of Moses. They did this also with the bulls.

Ezra 3:2 Then Jeshua the son of Jozadak and his brothers the priests, and Zerubbabel the son of Shealtiel and his brothers arose and built the altar of the God of Israel to offer burnt offerings on it, as it is written in the law of Moses, the man of God.

Ezra 3:4 They celebrated the Feast of Booths, as it is written, and offered the fixed number of burnt offerings daily, according to the ordinance, as each day required;

Ezra 6:18 Then they appointed the priests to their divisions and the Levites in their orders for the service of God in Jerusalem, as it is written in the book of Moses.

Nehemiah 8:15 So they proclaimed and circulated a proclamation in all their cities and in Jerusalem, saying, “Go out to the hills, and bring olive branches and wild olive branches, myrtle branches, palm branches and branches of other leafy trees, to make booths, as it is written.”

Nehemiah 10:34 Likewise we cast lots for the supply of wood among the priests, the Levites and the people so that they might bring it to the house of our God, according to our fathers’ households, at fixed times annually, to burn on the altar of the Lord our God, as it is written in the law;

Nehemiah 10:36 and bring to the house of our God the firstborn of our sons and of our cattle, and the firstborn of our herds and our flocks as it is written in the law, for the priests who are ministering in the house of our God.

Psalm 40:7 Then I said, “Behold, I come; In the scroll of the book it is written of me.

Isaiah 65:6 “Behold, it is written before Me, I will not keep silent, but I will repay; I will even repay into their bosom,

Daniel 9:13 As it is written in the law of Moses, all this calamity has come on us; yet we have not sought the favor of the Lord our God by turning from our iniquity and giving attention to Your truth.

Matthew 4:4 But He answered and said, “it is written, ‘Man shall not live on bread alone, but on every word that proceeds out of the mouth of God.’”

Matthew 4:6 and *said to Him, “If You are the Son of God, throw Yourself down; for it is written, ‘He will command His angels concerning You’; and ‘On their hands they will bear You up, So that You will not strike Your foot against a stone.’”

Matthew 4:7 Jesus said to him, “On the other hand, it is written, ‘You shall not put the Lord your God to the test.’”

Matthew 4:10 Then Jesus *said to him, “Go, Satan! For it is written, ‘You shall worship the Lord your God, and serve Him only.’”

Matthew 11:10 This is the one about whom it is written, ‘Behold, I send My messenger ahead of You, Who will prepare Your way before You.’

Matthew 21:13 And He *said to them, “it is written, ‘My house shall be called a house of prayer’; but you are making it a robbers’ den.”

Matthew 26:24 The Son of Man is to go, just as it is written of Him; but woe to that man by whom the Son of Man is betrayed! It would have been good for that man if he had not been born.”

Matthew 26:31 Then Jesus *said to them, “You will all fall away because of Me this night, for it is written, ‘I will strike down the shepherd, and the sheep of the flock shall be scattered.’

Mark 1:2 As it is written in Isaiah the prophet: “Behold, I send My messenger ahead of You, Who will prepare Your way;

Mark 7:6 And He said to them, “Rightly did Isaiah prophesy of you hypocrites, as it is written: ‘This people honors Me with their lips, But their heart is far away from Me.

Mark 9:13 But I say to you that Elijah has indeed come, and they did to him whatever they wished, just as it is written of him.”

Mark 14:21 For the Son of Man is to go just as it is written of Him; but woe to that man by whom the Son of Man is betrayed! It would have been good for that man if he had not been born.”

Mark 14:27 And Jesus *said to them, “You will all fall away, because it is written, ‘I will strike down the shepherd, and the sheep shall be scattered.’

Luke 2:23 (as it is written in the Law of the Lord, “Every firstborn male that opens the womb shall be called holy to the Lord”),

Luke 3:4 as it is written in the book of the words of Isaiah the prophet, “The voice of one crying in the wilderness, ‘Make ready the way of the Lord, Make His paths straight.

Luke 4:4 And Jesus answered him, “it is written, ‘Man shall not live on bread alone.’”

Luke 4:8 Jesus answered him, “it is written, ‘You shall worship the Lord your God and serve Him only.’”

Luke 4:10 for it is written, ‘He will command His angels concerning You to guard You,’

Luke 7:27 This is the one about whom it is written, ‘Behold, I send My messenger ahead of You, Who will prepare Your way before You.’

Luke 19:46 saying to them, “it is written, ‘And My house shall be a house of prayer,’ but you have made it a robbers’ den.”

Luke 24:46 and He said to them, “Thus it is written, that the Christ would suffer and rise again from the dead the third day,

John 6:31 Our fathers ate the manna in the wilderness; as it is written, ‘He gave them bread out of heaven to eat.’”

John 6:45 it is written in the prophets, ‘And they shall all be taught of God.’ Everyone who has heard and learned from the Father, comes to Me.

John 12:14 Jesus, finding a young donkey, sat on it; as it is written,

Acts 1:20 “For it is written in the book of Psalms, ‘Let his homestead be made desolate, And let no one dwell in it’; and, ‘Let another man take his office.’

Acts 7:42 But God turned away and delivered them up to serve the host of heaven; as it is written in the book of the prophets, ‘It was not to Me that you offered victims and sacrifices forty years in the wilderness, was it, O house of Israel?

Acts 15:15 With this the words of the Prophets agree, just as it is written,

Acts 23:5 And Paul said, “I was not aware, brethren, that he was high priest; for it is written, ‘You shall not speak evil of a ruler of your people.’”

Romans 1:17 For in it the righteousness of God is revealed from faith to faith; as it is written, “But the righteous man shall live by faith.”

Romans 2:24 For “the name of God is blasphemed among the Gentiles because of you,” just as it is written.

Romans 3:4 May it never be! Rather, let God be found true, though every man be found a liar, as it is written, “That You may be justified in Your words, And prevail when You are judged.”

Romans 3:10 as it is written, “There is none righteous, not even one;

Romans 4:17 (as it is written, “A father of many nations have I made you”) in the presence of Him whom he believed, even God, who gives life to the dead and calls into being that which does not exist.

Romans 8:36 Just as it is written, “For Your sake we are being put to death all day long; We were considered as sheep to be slaughtered.”

Romans 9:13 Just as it is written, “Jacob I loved, but Esau I hated.”

Romans 9:33 just as it is written, “Behold, I lay in Zion a stone of stumbling and a rock of offense, And he who believes in Him will not be disappointed.”

Romans 10:15 How will they preach unless they are sent? Just as it is written, “How beautiful are the feet of those who bring good news of good things!”

Romans 11:8 just as it is written, “God gave them a spirit of stupor, Eyes to see not and ears to hear not, Down to this very day.”

Romans 11:26 and so all Israel will be saved; just as it is written, “The Deliverer will come from Zion, He will remove ungodliness from Jacob.”

Romans 12:19 Never take your own revenge, beloved, but leave room for the wrath of God, for it is written, “Vengeance is Mine, I will repay,” says the Lord.

Romans 14:11 For it is written, “As I live, says the Lord, every knee shall bow to Me, And every tongue shall give praise to God.”

Romans 15:3 For even Christ did not please Himself; but as it is written, “The reproaches of those who reproached You fell on Me.”

Romans 15:9 and for the Gentiles to glorify God for His mercy; as it is written, “Therefore I will give praise to You among the Gentiles, And I will sing to Your name.”

Romans 15:21 but as it is written, “They who had no news of Him shall see, And they who have not heard shall understand.”

1 Corinthians 1:19 For it is written, “I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, And the cleverness of the clever I will set aside.”

1 Corinthians 1:31 so that, just as it is written, “Let him who boasts, boast in the Lord.”

1 Corinthians 2:9 but just as it is written, “Things which eye has not seen and ear has not heard, And which have not entered the heart of man, All that God has prepared for those who love Him.”

1 Corinthians 3:19 For the wisdom of this world is foolishness before God. For it is written, “He is the one who catches the wise in their craftiness”;

1 Corinthians 9:9 For it is written in the Law of Moses, “You shall not muzzle the ox while he is threshing.” God is not concerned about oxen, is He?

1 Corinthians 10:7 Do not be idolaters, as some of them were; as it is written, “The people sat down to eat and drink, and stood up to play.”

1 Corinthians 14:21 In the Law it is written, “By men of strange tongues and by the lips of strangers I will speak to this people, and even so they will not listen to Me,” says the Lord.

1 Corinthians 15:45 So also it is written, “The first man, Adam, became a living soul.” The last Adam became a life-giving spirit.

2 Corinthians 8:15 as it is written, “He who gathered much did not have too much, and he who gathered little had no lack.”

2 Corinthians 9:9 as it is written, “He scattered abroad, he gave to the poor, His righteousness endures forever.”

Galatians 3:10 For as many as are of the works of the Law are under a curse; for it is written, “Cursed is everyone who does not abide by all things written in the book of the law, to perform them.”

Galatians 3:13 Christ redeemed us from the curse of the Law, having become a curse for us—for it is written, “Cursed is everyone who hangs on a tree”—

Galatians 4:22 For it is written that Abraham had two sons, one by the bondwoman and one by the free woman.

Galatians 4:27 For it is written, “Rejoice, barren woman who does not bear; Break forth and shout, you who are not in labor; For more numerous are the children of the desolate Than of the one who has a husband.”

Hebrews 10:7 “Then I said, ‘Behold, I have come (In the scroll of the book it is written of Me) To do Your will, O God.’”

1 Peter 1:16 because it is written, “You shall be holy, for I am holy.”

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Scripture does not change......Roman Catholic "tradition" has, does and will change.

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Dogma is truth. Dogma cannot change because it’s revealed by God. For example, the Immaculate Conception and the Resurrection are both dogmas of the faith.

Only one of those is supported by and found in Scripture....the Resurrection.

The Immaculate Conception is not found in nor supported by Scripture.

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This is My Body...

Matthew 26:26

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This is My Body... Matthew 26:26

Context papertyger....context is your friend to understanding the New Testament.

Matthew 26:26-29	Mark 14:22-24	Luke 22:14-20	John 13:21-26	1 Corinthians 11:23-26
26While they were eating, Jesus took some bread, and after a blessing, He broke it and gave it to the disciples, and said, “Take, eat; this is My body.” 27And when He had taken a cup and given thanks, He gave it to them, saying, “Drink from it, all of you; 28for this is My blood of the covenant, which is poured out for many for forgiveness of sins. 29“But I say to you, I will not drink of this fruit of the vine from now on until that day when I drink it new with you in My Father’s kingdom.”	22While they were eating, He took some bread, and after a blessing He broke it, and gave it to them, and said, “Take it; this is My body.” 23And when He had taken a cup and given thanks, He gave it to them, and they all drank from it. 24And He said to them, “This is My blood of the covenant, which is poured out for many. 25“Truly I say to you, I will never again drink of the fruit of the vine until that day when I drink it new in the kingdom of God.”.	14When the hour had come, He reclined at the table, and the apostles with Him. 15And He said to them, “I have earnestly desired to eat this Passover with you before I suffer; 16for I say to you, I shall never again eat it until it is fulfilled in the kingdom of God.” 17And when He had taken a cup and given thanks, He said, “Take this and share it among yourselves; 18for I say to you, I will not drink of the fruit of the vine from now on until the kingdom of God comes.”19And when He had taken some bread and given thanks, He broke it and gave it to them, saying, “This is My body which is given for you; do this in remembrance of Me.” 20And in the same way He took the cup after they had eaten, saying, “This cup which is poured out for you is the new covenant in My blood.	21When Jesus had said this, He became troubled in spirit, and testified and said, “Truly, truly, I say to you, that one of you will betray Me.” 22The disciples began looking at one another, at a loss to know of which one He was speaking.23There was reclining on Jesus’ bosom one of His disciples, whom Jesus loved. 24So Simon Peter gestured to him, and said to him, “Tell us who it is of whom He is speaking.” 25He, leaning back thus on Jesus’ bosom, said to Him, “Lord, who is it?” 26Jesus then answered, “That is the one for whom I shall dip the morsel and give it to him.” So when He had dipped the morsel, He took and gave it to Judas, the son of Simon Iscariot.	23For I received from the Lord that which I also delivered to you, that the Lord Jesus in the night in which He was betrayed took bread; 24and when He had given thanks, He broke it and said, “This is My body, which is for you; do this in remembrance of Me.” 25In the same way He took the cup also after supper, saying, “This cup is the new covenant in My blood; do this, as often as you drink it, in remembrance of Me.” 26For as often as you eat this bread and drink the cup, you proclaim the Lord’s death until He comes.

Key Phrases/words:

Poured out: In the OT the blood sacrifice was never consumed; it was always poured out. We further have the drink offering which was poured out before God as a sacrifice (Ex 29:40, Numbers 15:4-5).

29.11 ἀνάμνησις, εως f: (derivative of ἀναμιμνῄσκω ‘to cause to remember,’ 29.10) the means for causing someone to remember—‘means of remembering, reminder.’ ἀλλ’ ἐν αὐταῖς ἀνάμνησις ἁμαρτιῶν κατ’ ἐνιαυτόν ‘but in those (sacrifices) there is a yearly reminder of sins’ or ‘… that people have sinned’ He 10:3. Louw, J. P., & Nida, E. A. (1996). Greek-English lexicon of the New Testament: based on semantic domains (electronic ed. of the 2nd edition., Vol. 1, p. 347). New York: United Bible Societies.

[papertyger]

This is My Body....

Matthew 26:26

Your excuses are of little import.

[Marchmain]

So what?

[ealgeone]

Reading Scripture in context is an "excuse".....except maybe in Roman Catholicism.

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Scripture does not change.....Roman Catholic "tradition" has, does and will change.

[ealgeone]

Reading Scripture in context is an "excuse".....except maybe in Roman Catholicism.

Correction....should read as not an excuse.

[Luircin]

Pope Francis has no authority to reverse - reject - repudiate Catholic Moral Doctrine in any respect

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True, he doesn’t.

But he is doing it anyways. Many Popes have, or tried. And he is meeting with success, or at least insufficient resistance.

It seems to me that the only way to stop this is for the church at large to excommunicate 95% of the Vatican and start from scratch. That or leave the corrupt Roman rite and form your own in opposition and competition with it.

That or Jesus returning.

[ealgeone]

The Scriptures attest to the reliance upon Scripture for truth.

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Scripture does not change.....Roman Catholic "tradition" has, does and will change.

[papertyger]

This is My Body...

Matthew 26:26
Mark 14:24
Luke 22:19

1Corinthians 11:24

“How” one ignores a declaration from the very lips of Christ is irrelevant.

[Marchmain]

Yeah, if we say so! Catholics, as you well know from many people wiser than I on these threads, do not hold to the 16th century new idea of sola scriptura. We honor the Blessed Mother and we find it dull to thump on the Bible all the time. Our Church has created some of the best music and art of all time (and still does). Science, medicine, astronomy all have their roots in the Catholic Church. So does the New Testament. Sorry, one little Bible cannot hold a candle to Catholicism.

[Mrs. Don-o]

Come Lord Jesus.

[ealgeone]

Yes...He said this is my body......do this in remembrance of Me.

It is not a means of salvation as taught by Rome.

[Mrs. Don-o]

Bullshingles. The Pope can not nullify previous teachings, no more than he could nullify the Law of Gravity. And to lose your grip on "A does not equal not-A" is to lose, not just your faith, but your mind.

You have a significantly distorted view of pope as autocrat. He is the minister of Apostolic doctrine, not the master.

[Mrs. Don-o]

You seem to think the "Magisterium" is a person or a group of people.

Category mistake. Look it up.

[ealgeone]

Yeah, if we say so! Catholics, as you well know from many people wiser than I on these threads, do not hold to the 16th century new idea of sola scriptura. We honor the Blessed Mother and we find it dull to thump on the Bible all the time.

Reliance upon the Scriptures, the written word, dates all the way back to the Old Testament and continued into the New Testament.

Our Church has created some of the best music and art of all time (and still does).

So have others.

Science, medicine, astronomy all have their roots in the Catholic Church.

Well, Galileo, among others, might disagree with your assessment.

So does the New Testament.

Ah yes....the much discredited claim that Rome gave us the Bible. Yet history records it was only at the Council of Trent in the 1500s that Rome proclaimed their canon.

Sorry, one little Bible cannot hold a candle to Catholicism.

Well, at least you're honest. You admit Roman Catholicism is bigger than the very book which is God's word to us. You have indeed elevated Rome over the Bible.