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More Roman Catholic Catechism Changes?
Pastoral Meanderings ^ | 08-10-2018 | Pastor Peters (LCMS)

Posted on 08/10/2018 3:09:22 PM PDT by NRx

A week or so ago the Vatican announced a change in the Catechism of the Catholic Church which changed the teaching regarding the capital punishment.  It was now deemed inadmissible -- whatever that means -- or no longer moral (though Scripture clearly allows this).  Now another change, perhaps more devious and clandestine than the announced change on the death penalty.  This represents the removal of one sentence and replacing it with something that is completely different, one that fails to acknowledge homosexuality to be objectively disordered and instead sympathetically suggests that homosexual tendency is not at all a choice but a condition natural to their birth.  Perhaps this is how Pope Francis plans to change the doctrine of the Roman Catholic Church, a few words at a time.  If that is the case, who knows where this will lead and who is checking the catechism on a daily basis to see what changes have crept in.

This is another version of change that comes not openly or by consideration but through the back door -- an attempt to re-define the faith without telling anyone about it.  Lutherans may only be interested in this for curiosity' sake but we would do well to remember the principle.  The most dangerous change comes through the back door and not through open consideration of that change and its debate on the basis of Scripture and the fathers.  

http://www.vatican.va/archive/ENG0015/__P85.HTM
2358 The number of men and women who have deep-seated homosexual tendencies is not negligible. This inclination, which is objectively disordered, constitutes for most of them a trial. They must be accepted with respect, compassion, and sensitivity. Every sign of unjust discrimination in their regard should be avoided. These persons are called to fulfill God’s will in their lives and, if they are Christians, to unite to the sacrifice of the Lord’s Cross the difficulties they may encounter from their condition.
http://www.vatican.va/archive/ENG0015/_P85.HTM
2358 The number of men and women who have deep-seated homosexual tendencies is not negligible. They do not choose their homosexual condition; for most of them it is a trial. They must be accepted with respect, compassion, and sensitivity. Every sign of unjust discrimination in their regard should be avoided. These persons are called to fulfill God’s will in their lives and, if they are Christians, to unite to the sacrifice of the Lord’s Cross the difficulties they may encounter from their condition.

It appears that They do not choose their homosexual condition was in the text until something about 2004 or so when the text was changed to This inclination, which is objectively disordered.  While it may, indeed, be true of at least some that they do not choose their homosexual condition, this is a point unrelated to the issue of objectively disordered.  Children are born with many conditions not of their choice but the result of a sinful world in which brokenness exists not only in material condition but in spiritual and in which desire is tainted by sin as much as act and choice.  Yet, the question remains why changes like this would not be transparent and why there would not be explanation for the change.  Coupled with Pope Francis' words that God made them gay, this represents a distinct softening of the previous stance and a shift away from the very idea that homosexuality is disordered.  If that is the case, then my premise still stands.  The most dangerous changes in the faith are the ones that enter through the back door without debate and not necessarily the ones on which discussion or even a vote is taken.  Too often, the discussion follows the acceptance of change and the vote merely affirms the change already embedded in the hearts and minds of the people.

 


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Comment #101 Removed by Moderator

To: Al Hitan; Religion Moderator

It wasn’t a personal attack. Maybe if you spent less time whining and more time actually learning about what you oppose, some of the victimization would be diminished.

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The irony is so, SO thick.

As I said, lay off the personal attacks, Al.


102 posted on 08/12/2018 11:07:18 AM PDT by Luircin
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To: Luircin
The irony is so, SO thick.

Bless your heart.

103 posted on 08/12/2018 4:50:32 PM PDT by Al Hitan
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To: Al Hitan

Keeping was supposed to be Keep on.


106 posted on 08/12/2018 5:17:28 PM PDT by Al Hitan
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To: Al Hitan

Let the record show that once again it is the Catholic who starts ad hominem attacking, even after being called out on it.

LOL, he thinks he’s witty.


110 posted on 08/12/2018 6:24:46 PM PDT by Luircin
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To: ebb tide; Religion Moderator

Ebb, stop stalking me from thread to thread and go away.


111 posted on 08/12/2018 6:28:49 PM PDT by Luircin
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I never asked you to go away.


112 posted on 08/12/2018 6:34:36 PM PDT by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome.)
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To: ebb tide

Leave me alone.


113 posted on 08/12/2018 6:46:27 PM PDT by Luircin
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To: Luircin
Let the record show that once again it is the Catholic who starts ad hominem attacking

Poor, Luircin. Bless your heart.

114 posted on 08/12/2018 9:51:10 PM PDT by Al Hitan
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Let the record show that the Catholic is STILL the one engaging in oh-so-polite personal attacks.


115 posted on 08/12/2018 10:42:09 PM PDT by Luircin
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To: Al Hitan; ealgeone

What a sad, sad state of affairs for the one who claims to be so righteous that he has to insult people because he can’t bring up logical points.

When all I did was point out that despite all the councils and all the claims of perfection, it was the Catholics who were throwing books into the Bible and taking them out and treating the canon of Scripture like so much garbage.

And they only stopped doing so because they were losing political power and so had to come up with some way to attack those nasty Lutherans.

Whereas Luther, despite being disinclined to include certain books in canon—like plenty of other Catholic scholars were doing—still translated them and included them in German Bibles. When, I might add, the Catholics were murdering people at behest of the Pope for having Scripture in their native language.

If it wasn’t for Luther, you Catholics would be having Bibles with 50 Shades of Grey in pig Latin as canon.

And all that Al can do is oh-so-politely insult the person who points out the fact. Really says a lot, don’t it.

Bless his heart right back, LOL. He needs it a lot more.


116 posted on 08/12/2018 10:45:56 PM PDT by Luircin
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Another handy fact.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gutenberg_Bible The Gutenberg Bible (also known as the 42-line Bible, the Mazarin Bible or the B42) was the first major book printed in the West using movable type. It marked the start of the “Gutenberg Revolution” and the age of the printed book in the West. Widely praised for its high aesthetic and artistic qualities,[1] the book has an iconic status. Written in Latin, the Gutenberg Bible is an edition of the Vulgate, printed by Johannes Gutenberg, in Mainz, in present-day Germany, in the 1450s.

117 posted on 08/12/2018 10:47:34 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Luircin; Al Hitan

Stop the personal flame war both of you.

If you want to continue posting on the Religion Forum study the guidelines by clicking on my name at the bottom of this post.

If you have an issue with anyone not following the guidelines, send me a private message with your concerns.

Don’t duke it out on a thread.


118 posted on 08/13/2018 12:42:06 AM PDT by Religion Moderator
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I have restored this thread and removed many posts that don't follow the guidelines for the Religion Forum.

Everyone should look for their posts and try to discern how may and which ones were removed.

If there is more than one please STUDY-not just read-the guidelines that you can find by clicking on my name at the bottom of this post.

119 posted on 08/13/2018 11:52:20 PM PDT by Religion Moderator
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To: Luircin; ebb tide; Salvation
If it wasn’t for Luther, you Catholics would be having Bibles with...

Instead of wild speculation, let's review some actual facts on this subject:

The facts demonstrate that the Church had its official canon well before Luther’s revisions, and the Church maintained their canon despite Luther’s innovations.

Please show us when and where the Lutheran Church has officially defined its canon. Have they ever?

120 posted on 08/14/2018 3:15:19 AM PDT by Al Hitan
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