Posted on 08/07/2018 3:51:25 AM PDT by Sontagged
John MacArthur has stated that one can take the mark of the beast, worshiping Satan and his image, and still be saved.
The Bible says the exact opposite.
He is exposed here as condemning himself unwittingly.
His friend and partner Phil Johnson of Grace to You along with Chris Rosebrough of Pirate Christian Radio and Fighting for the Faith also join in condemning MacArthur.
This is the fruit of personal favoritism; blind irrationality. John MacArthur propagates a damnable false teaching that is simply a lie. His sycophants Phil Johnson, Todd Friel, Justin Peters, etc. have all defended him saying that there is only one unpardonable sin; only one blasphemy of the holy spirit. After this, they all have some explaining to do.
See Jacob Prasch confront this teaching: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=efHvk...
? I listed these sites for your background research, so you can figure out for yourself why MacArthur would preach that it is okay to take the Mark of the Beast.
The MacArthur Freemason blood line is telling.
Huh? This thread is about MacArthur saying it is okay to take the Mark of the Beast.
from https://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/3677179/posts?page=59#59 (Thanks Roman_War_Criminal )
The Bible is clear on what will happen to those who do take the Mark:
Revelation 14:9-12
9 A third angel followed them and said in a loud voice: “If anyone worships the beast and its image and receives its mark on their forehead or on their hand, 10 they, too, will drink the wine of God’s fury, which has been poured full strength into the cup of his wrath. They will be tormented with burning sulfur in the presence of the holy angels and of the Lamb. 11 And the smoke of their torment will rise for ever and ever. There will be no rest day or night for those who worship the beast and its image, or for anyone who receives the mark of its name.” 12 This calls for patient endurance on the part of the people of God who keep his commands and remain faithful to Jesus.
https://forum.culteducation.com/read.php?14,76955,page=32 https://watch.pairsite.com/macarthur-6-freemasonry.html http://www.jesusisprecious.org/false_doctrine/lordship_salvation/macarthur_mormon.htm
Dude, you are quoting wacko sites to try to prove that MacArthur, who is about as mainstream as one gets in modern American Christianity, to try to prove Dr. MacArthur heretical? I'm not even a Calvinist, but that's dubious.
What you're doing is like showing selective MSNBC clips to "prove" that President Trump is mentally unstable. Fake News.
If I distrusted people by who's on their genealogy, I would also not trust someone who descended from murderes, whores, those that have incestuous relationships, etc. By the way, that applies to Jesus.
People are commenting here without recognizing that the matter is a bit without meaning if it is addressed as a standalone issue with no context or agreement on some of the related issues and a clear definition of the terms….
- Who is a Christian as referred to by MacArthur in this context? I’m sure you’ll find that MacArthur’s definition of a true Christian will include the words “born again, personal relationship with Jesus Christ, giving one’s heart to Jesus, repenting of one’s sin and to be unshackled of the bondage of sin, denouncing one’s former ways, now is a devoted servant/slave to Jesus Christ etc.”
- Christians who are alive before the return of Christ are raptured away… they don’t go into the tribulation period at all. This of course is the position of the pre-tribulationists which not everyone takes as being the correct interpretation of scripture. Regardless, I’m sure MacArthur’s beliefs are pre-tribulationist so by definition, his statement about “taking the Mark of the Beast and still being saved” are only referring to those who become saved after the rapture. Thus there are no Christians on earth who remain at the moment the rapture occurs…. and no, this is not in conflict with Revelation 7 which discuss the 144,000 who will be sealed and arise to minister to the world during the tribulation period.
- As a significant rabbit trail to the previous point, there is a position taken by many that the only people who can become saved after the rapture are those who did not have the opportunity to become saved before the rapture…. i.e. those who had the opportunity before the rapture to become born again in Jesus Christ but made a conscientious decision to reject the offer of salvation cannot be saved if they go into the Tribulation period. As noted, that is a rabbit trail to the discussion but obviously a very important one….and I don’t believe I’ve heard MacArthur’s position on this.
- In the King James version, the term isn’t “taking the Mark of the Beast” which makes it sound like a bunch of willing people showing up at a clinic to get their inoculation. The word in the King James is ‘causeth’ which sounds much more forced and mandatory and without a connotation of it being an optional choice…… Revelation 13:16 And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads: 17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.
- Revelation 6:9-11 is very clearly speaking about Christians who are slain for their beliefs during the Tribulation period. So… by definition if you subscribe to the forgoing, these are people who were not saved at the time of the rapture but were saved at some point during the Tribulation period.
Let’s take an extreme case to examine… the tyrannical governments that exist during the tribulation period begin their mass program of giving everyone they can find the Mark of the Beast and they do it by force. There is no indication in scripture as to how successful this program of ‘forced marking’ will be but let’s say it’s 100%.... However, based on Revelation 6-11, it’s clear that individuals will become saved during the tribulation. This being the case, it would seem logical that MacArthur is on fairly solid ground with this teaching that an individual can simultaneously be saved and take the Mark of the Beast during the Tribulation Period…and since all this is a time of mass confusion and bloodshed, there doesn’t seem to be a point to considering whether the Mark is given to individuals before or after they are saved.
So what! It is the truth and many biblically solid brothers and sisters are testifying to it.
You are 100% right on in your discernment. I saw this years ago.
It’s telling because MacArthur apparently never disavows Masonry in his family, or mentions his lengthy Masonry-mixed-with-Christianity heritage.
Unlike say, Charles Finney. Or President John Quincy Adams.
To contradict the Word with heretical comments about taking the Mark of the Beast is not mainstream, unless you mean Joel Olsteen or Oprah mainstream.
This thread is about MacArthur saying it is okay to take the Mark of the Beast.
This is heretical teaching. We are to expose it, as Bereans, no matter how popular or “mainstream” MacArthur appears to be.
from https://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/3677179/posts?page=59#59 (Thanks Roman_War_Criminal )
The Bible is clear on what will happen to those who do take the Mark:
Revelation 14:9-12
9 A third angel followed them and said in a loud voice: “If anyone worships the beast and its image and receives its mark on their forehead or on their hand, 10 they, too, will drink the wine of God’s fury, which has been poured full strength into the cup of his wrath. They will be tormented with burning sulfur in the presence of the holy angels and of the Lamb. 11 And the smoke of their torment will rise for ever and ever. There will be no rest day or night for those who worship the beast and its image, or for anyone who receives the mark of its name.” 12 This calls for patient endurance on the part of the people of God who keep his commands and remain faithful to Jesus.
This thread is about MacArthur saying it is okay to take the Mark of the Beast; regardless any other position, it clearly contradicts Scripture.
Revelation 14:9-12
9 A third angel followed them and said in a loud voice: “If anyone worships the beast and its image and receives its mark on their forehead or on their hand, 10 they, too, will drink the wine of God’s fury, which has been poured full strength into the cup of his wrath. They will be tormented with burning sulfur in the presence of the holy angels and of the Lamb. 11 And the smoke of their torment will rise for ever and ever. There will be no rest day or night for those who worship the beast and its image, or for anyone who receives the mark of its name.” 12 This calls for patient endurance on the part of the people of God who keep his commands and remain faithful to Jesus.
I don’t “hate” MacArthur, I agree on some of his anti Charismatic/Pentecostal positions if he has made the distinction between N.A.R. charismania and regular Bible adhering Charismatics/Pentecostals such as myself.
I have done MUCH research and writing on the N.A.R. charismania heresies.
They are as damnable as MacArthur’s Cessationist Calvinism.
This thread is about MacArthur saying it is okay to take the Mark of the Beast; regardless any other position, it clearly contradicts Scripture.
Since you're making this claim, produce the video where I can see the context in which Dr. MacArthur says this. He probably has a thousand sermons on the internet. I don't want to see some beta looking male in the above video in this thread talking about what Dr. MacArthur supposedly said, I want to actually see Dr. MacArthur saying this, along with context.
The Bible is clear but your statement is misleading because it didn't take the whole quote. Here is the full verse 9 in Revelation 14 with the one very important word highlighted that you have ignored... 9 And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand, 10 The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation...…
You have two possibilities... there are those who receive the Mark and also worship the beast and there are those who receive the Mark but refuse to worship the beast. The 'punishment' spoken of in Verse 10 is referring to what will happen to the first of these two groups....
I think there are about a hundred videos on this on Youtube, if you had a problem with this video, you should have pointed out what the problem was..
... so you are saying you think this audio has been edited?
I doubt it, since Phil Johnson and others have gone to such pains to explain it.
? Taking the Mark means you are worshipping the beast.
TY GBU
“They are as damnable as MacArthur’s Cessationist Calvinism.”
I’m a pretty hard core Arminian, but I don’t go around damning folks for being Calvinist. As the Society of Evangelical Arminians puts it: “Despite stark differences, SEA generally accepts Calvinists as fellow brothers and sisters in the Lord who adhere to a reasonable but seriously flawed biblical theology.”
That would be a very strange and incorrect interpretation in my view. The ‘Mark’ is not all that well defined in scripture but we know this about it from Revelation 13:17 “And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.” From this, we can deduce that it has some identification features about it and that it ties into a financial system of some sort. Being outfitted with the ‘Mark’ is not synonymous with ‘worshipping the beast’…..especially if it was forcibly inscribed/inserted etc. On the other hand, I’d agree that if one ‘willingly received the Mark’, this would indicate someone who would also be willing to ‘worship the beast’.
“There is no repenting from the Mark of the Beast, especially if the Mark is a computer chip with a DNA altering mechanism.”Well...THAT is sure careful biblical exegesis!
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