Posted on 08/07/2018 3:51:25 AM PDT by Sontagged
John MacArthur has stated that one can take the mark of the beast, worshiping Satan and his image, and still be saved.
The Bible says the exact opposite.
He is exposed here as condemning himself unwittingly.
His friend and partner Phil Johnson of Grace to You along with Chris Rosebrough of Pirate Christian Radio and Fighting for the Faith also join in condemning MacArthur.
This is the fruit of personal favoritism; blind irrationality. John MacArthur propagates a damnable false teaching that is simply a lie. His sycophants Phil Johnson, Todd Friel, Justin Peters, etc. have all defended him saying that there is only one unpardonable sin; only one blasphemy of the holy spirit. After this, they all have some explaining to do.
See Jacob Prasch confront this teaching: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=efHvk...
Again, what we do know about the Mark of the Beast is that it will be used to buy and sell.
And that is the context with which MacArthur puts forth his heresy, that you can take the Mark and be redeemed later.
It’s not a difficult issue to understand. MacArthur is adding to, twisting and rendering null and void the Word regarding those who take the Mark of the Beast... they will be eternally damned.
I know and agree with you... but since the free gift of the Spirit is Satan’s biggest problem, he raises up false teachings and false doctrines to waylay the sheep...
...as Christ warns over and over again against deception and deceptive teachings!
Disciples: What is the sign of Your Second Coming, and of the End of the World?
Jesus: Beware deception...
I PM’ed my final response to interested parties over two weeks ago, and then posted this, which pretty much clears up the whole issue:
https://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/3675417/posts
Before I answer, so we know where each other stands - I’m Pre-Trib. Are you?
That has a big impact on why I believe the way I do.
You've had two admonitions for your accusations and contentious posting history.
“And that is the context with which MacArthur puts forth his heresy, that you can take the Mark and be redeemed later.”
There is no scripture saying one cannot.
“Therefore, everyone who will acknowledge me before others, I will also acknowledge him before my Father in heaven. 33 But whoever denies me before others, I will also deny him before my Father in heaven.” - Matt 10
And when they had kindled a fire in the middle of the courtyard and sat down together, Peter sat down among them. 56 Then a servant girl, seeing him as he sat in the light and looking closely at him, said, “This man also was with him.” 57 But he denied it, saying, “Woman, I do not know him.” 58 And a little later someone else saw him and said, “You also are one of them.” But Peter said, “Man, I am not.” 59 And after an interval of about an hour still another insisted, saying, “Certainly this man also was with him, for he too is a Galilean.” 60 But Peter said, “Man, I do not know what you are talking about.” And immediately, while he was still speaking, the rooster crowed. - Luke 22
15 After breakfast Jesus asked Simon Peter, “Simon son of John, do you love me more than these?”
“Yes, Lord,” Peter replied, “you know I love you.”
“Then feed my lambs,” Jesus told him.
16 Jesus repeated the question: “Simon son of John, do you love me?”
“Yes, Lord,” Peter said, “you know I love you.”
“Then take care of my sheep,” Jesus said.
17 A third time he asked him, “Simon son of John, do you love me?”
Peter was hurt that Jesus asked the question a third time. He said, “Lord, you know everything. You know that I love you.”
Jesus said, “Then feed my sheep. - John 21
Be careful before you take one passage to mean God cannot forgive sin! You are quicker to condemn men to hell than God is!
"“If anyone worships the beast and his image, and receives a mark on his forehead or on his hand..."
So if someone who had the mark - and the wording supports it being compelled ("And he causes all, the small and the great, and the rich and the poor, and the free men and the slaves, to be given a mark on their right hand or on their forehead") - and repents, then that person will NOT meet the double condition.
Frankly, I don't think Revelations is meant to be a description of future history. If it is, it certainly is vague. But the text does not require that anyone who has the mark of the beast is damned forever.
The unforgivable sin is different. Jesus said “Therefore I say to you, any sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven people, but blasphemy against the Spirit shall not be forgiven. Whoever speaks a word against the Son of Man, it shall be forgiven him; but whoever speaks against the Holy Spirit, it shall not be forgiven him, either in this age or in the age to come."
It must be mighty nice to KNOW, not just guess or try, but KNOW the EXACT meaning of Revelations! For 2,000 years, certainty has eluded Christians. But YOU have it! You have such perfect knowledge that you would damn to hell any who disagree with it. You would damn as a heretic someone who has ministered to far more people than you can imagine!
Here is another scripture for you:
Brothers and sisters, if someone is overtaken in any wrongdoing, you who are spiritual, restore such a person with a gentle spirit, watching out for yourselves so that you also won’t be tempted. Carry one another’s burdens; in this way you will fulfill the law of Christ. For if anyone considers himself to be something when he is nothing, he deceives himself. Let each person examine his own work, and then he can take pride in himself alone, and not compare himself with someone else. For each person will have to carry his own load.
aMorePerfectUnion & I do not always see eye to eye on a given scripture, but I’m confident in his (or her’s, I don’t know) sincerity.
“May the Lord rebuke you for casting aspersions on me because I am pointing out dangerous false doctrine......may you be cursed by the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob”.
Dude, you REALLY have no right at all to talk to anyone that way! I’m not sure you know what the Gospel is. Here is a hint: When he asked how he could be saved, Paul didn’t discuss John’s future revelation with the jailer! But Paul did assume a changed life would result! And at Pentecost, Peter did not tell anyone about “the mark of the beast”. It simply is NOT part of the Gospel! But God’s willingness to forgive us our sins if we repent and follow him is!
Yes... Pre-trib all the way.
Do you know Roman Catholicism uses that rationalization for the assertion "they" are the official interpreters of Scripture by misquoting II Peter 1:19-21? That passage is clearly talking about actual revelation from God and how we know Sacred Scripture comes from the Holy Spirit and not what the prophets thought up in their own minds and why we can trust what it says:
God gifts teachers/pastors to His assembly/church/body to teach the truths that have been revealed in Scripture. The Holy Spirit is who leads us into all truth. There are also "disputable matters" and we are told to NOT argue minor things and be divided over them. There are major tenets of the Christ faith that have been taught, believed and preserved from the start. These are what we are called to hold fast to and pass on.
You can certainly have your own opinion about Dr. MacArthur, but so can others and just because you disagree with him about a minor point you ought not condemn him and everyone else who disagrees with you.
I suspect that this is probably the actual reason for being so vehemently opposed to John MacArthur. I happen to agree with him that the sign gifts - not all gifts of the Spirit - have ceased. I guess I'll get lumped into the HERETIC, false teacher, a clanging cymbal without love and without the mitigating presence or understanding of the Holy Spirit and completely out of my mind group, too?
No, that isn't what cessationism teaches. It is that certain GIFTS of the Holy Spirit - especially the "sign" gifts - ceased sometime after the Apostolic era. The indwelling of the Holy Spirit happens when one believes on the Lord Jesus Christ and are born again into God's family. In fact, we are sealed with Holy Spirit until the day of redemption (see Ephesians 4:30). The gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord. Each believer is then given gifts by which the body of Christ is edified and Jesus is glorified. We have different gifts according to the grace given us (Romans 12:6). All these are the work of one and the same Spirit, who apportions them to each one as He determines. (I Cor. 12:11).
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