Posted on 08/07/2018 3:51:25 AM PDT by Sontagged
John MacArthur has stated that one can take the mark of the beast, worshiping Satan and his image, and still be saved.
The Bible says the exact opposite.
He is exposed here as condemning himself unwittingly.
His friend and partner Phil Johnson of Grace to You along with Chris Rosebrough of Pirate Christian Radio and Fighting for the Faith also join in condemning MacArthur.
This is the fruit of personal favoritism; blind irrationality. John MacArthur propagates a damnable false teaching that is simply a lie. His sycophants Phil Johnson, Todd Friel, Justin Peters, etc. have all defended him saying that there is only one unpardonable sin; only one blasphemy of the holy spirit. After this, they all have some explaining to do.
See Jacob Prasch confront this teaching: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=efHvk...
(QuoteThat would be a very strange and incorrect interpretation in my view. The ‘Mark’ is not all that well defined in scripture but we know this about it from Revelation 13:17)
Hectic, there may be a more spiritual way to view the mark. And itcertainly wouldn’t fit too many church teachings, which may be why He led me out.
We do get a clue in Deuteronomy 6:8 about the sign/mark-You shall bind them as a sign on your hand, and they shall be as frontlets between your eyes.
What was to be on the hand and fronlets bettwen Israel’s eyes?
The Ten Commandments. His law.
As a sign.
A sign of Lawfulness. obedience.
What is Satan doing in Revelation 13?
Causing people to break the Ten Commandments.
(Worship the beast, worship the image, blaspheme His name)
What is the patience of the saints in Revelation 14?
The patience of the saints is to ‘Keep the Commandments of God’s and faith of Jesus.
Revelation 14:12
The Ten Commandments seem to have a central theme with the sign of obedience/lawfullness in Deuteronomy while breaking the Commandments leaves a mark in the same spot. A sign oflawlessness and disobedience.
I mention that because
An angel also warned people in Revelation 14:7 He said in a loud voice, “Fear God and give him glory, because the hour of his judgment has come. Worship him who made the heavens, the earth, the sea and the springs of water.”
Today, according to the world,is Tiw’s day, a day in honor of a false god.
A false god that hasn’t creted the heavens or the earth or the sea or the springs of water. Yet the false god receives honor every week with a day named after him.
Is that behavior that would spiritually show worshipping Him who made everything or would that be spiritually worshipping the beast? Wandering after the beast?
Who could sell that today isn’t Tiws day to a world that buys and sells it is Tiw’s day?
What is today to the Creator?
It isn’t Tiws day.. but, who is ready to buy that? If someone tried to sell you today wansnt Tiw’s day, would you buy it?
Just a thought about the spiritual layers and levels to scripture and how Satan does truly deceive the whole world today. Satan isn’t waiting.
Satan works today. And the battle is spiritual.
A thought for those who may only see the mark as natural.
‘Causeth all’... does not sound like ‘free will consent’.
The Scripture tells us not to take the Mark; therefore there must be some way out of it, probably beheading.
That's not exactly correct... what Scripture tells us to do is 'repent and be saved' so that one never ever ever needs to encounter this situation. To think otherwise is to be planning to go into the tribulation... that is NOT what Christians are told to do anywhere in Scripture. And the way to be planning to go into the Tribulation Period is simply to not become a born again blood bought follower of Jesus Christ. In fact, why can't it be concluded that if a person is planning to go into the Tribulation, they aren't really saved?
"Some way out of it, probably beheading?" I suppose that possibility has some application but this assumes that the people being beheaded know what the Scriptures say and that they have learned all this and have become 'Tribulation Period Christians' before being told that 'you must have the Mark'. That concept of timing seems rather suspect....especially for those multitudes who have never read a Bible, never heard of Jesus Christ etc.
By the way, there is a reason why some of the details concerning the Tribulation Period are unclear... there is simply no reason for God to give all the details for an absolutely horrid period of time that he doesn't want anyone to go through.
“Actually Paul teaches that “we are the judges” of those in the Church.”
Yes, but that is BEHAVIOR, not conflicting INTERPRETATIONS. We are also to be wary of false prophets:
“There were indeed false prophets among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you. They will bring in destructive heresies, even denying the Master who bought them, and will bring swift destruction on themselves. 2 Many will follow their depraved ways, and the way of truth will be maligned because of them. 3 They will exploit you in their greed with made-up stories. Their condemnation, pronounced long ago, is not idle, and their destruction does not sleep.”
But if you want to argue a man who has a track record of decades, who has commented on every verse in the Bible, is a false prophet, you’ll need something more than “I disagree with his interpretation of a couple of verses in Revelations!
“As I’ve written, I have had to pick up the pieces in several people’s broken lives by the apocalypse of the loveless hopeless Calvinism in MacArthur’s church.”
I’m very skeptical. Particularly since you say “loveless hopeless” - neither of which a rational person would associate with John MacArthur’s preaching. Heck, he preaches that someone who has received the mark of the beast has hope IF they repent!
“I think it is pretty obvious. Satan must have free will consent of those who take the Mark.”
YOUR interpretation!
“The Scripture tells us not to take the Mark; therefore there must be some way out of it, probably beheading.”
That is fine for those who are already Christians - again, assuming Revelations is a prediction of future history - but MacArthur argues - with reason - that some of those will later repent. That is a plausible explanation for believers appearing in large numbers later on. It may not be the CORRECT one, but then, the CORRECT interpretation of Revelations may have nothing to do with future history!
No one is responsible for what their now dead ancestors did.
As long as someone does not go there themselves, and even better if they renounce it, it’s of no consequence.
Not hearsay...common knowledge
When I first saw the thread, I thought it was going to be another thread about Jesus having no blood in him, after the resurrection. Little did I know. 😁😇🙏
Your post is most gracious, honest, spirit filled and true...
...Thank you!
Actually Paul teaches that we are the judges of behavior based on the Truth of the Word as “scripture is of no private interpretation”... in his case, that someone was committing incest in Corinth. Paul had to hammer home what the Word meant in its proper interpretation, in Truth for its proper application in Corinth.
MacArthur has been a divisive figure since he first started preaching that the Gifts ceased at some mystical point during the first century.
That takes a LOT of tricky mishandling of the Word, as Pastor Jack Hayford would be happy to tell you.
MacAtthur’s mishandling of the Mark of the Beast follows precisely.
He is a false teacher, and from my experience, a clanging cymbal without love and without the mitigating presence or understanding of the Holy Spirit.
To teach that one can be redeemed after taking the Mark of the Beast is outrageous and no amount of discussion by you can make it go away.
Again, this thread is about the video which shows he is completely out of his mind with this teaching.
The Lord warns against false teachers of this sort.
All this verbiage over one thing that is clear... one will not be able to buy or sell without the Mark, and MacArthur plainly says that one can be redeemed AFTER he takes the Mark of the Beast.
I don’t believe anyone on this thread goes to his church, why is this outrageous false teaching so difficult to understand? It’s obvious. He’s a Calvinist and Cessationist, and he has no legs to stand on with this false teaching on the Mark of the Beast.
Cessationist teachings are that the free gift of the Holy Spirit that God gave at Pentecost, as prophesied by the Prophet Joel somehow... ceased.
Sometime in the first century.
Or something.
“It’s obvious. He’s a Calvinist and Cessationist, and he has no legs to stand on with this false teaching on the Mark of the Beast.”
Oh no! A CALVINIST! Burn him! And he isn’t impressed by the folks speaking in tongues. How horrible! As for this supposedly false teaching, you don’t even know what the mark of the beast really is! NO ONE DOES! A number of medieval Protestants interpreted it to involve Catholics and the Pope!
For example:
And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast - That is, that image of the beast would be naturally powerless, or would have no life in itself. The second beast, however, had power to impart life to it, so that it would be invested with authority, and would exercise that authority in the manner specified. If this refers, as is supposed, to the Roman civil power - the power of the empire restored - it would find a fulfillment in some act of the papacy by which the empire that resembled in the extent of its jurisdiction, and in its general character, the former Roman empire, received some vivifying impulse, or was invested with new power. That is, it would have power conferred on it through the papacy which it would not have in itself, and which would confirm its jurisdiction. How far events actually occurred corresponding with this, will be considered in the notes at the close of this verse.
https://www.studylight.org/commentaries/bnb/revelation-13.html
Revelation 13:13-17. And he doeth great wonders — We have seen the greatness of the power and authority of the beast, and we shall now see what course he pursues to establish it. He pretends, like other false prophets, to show great signs and wonders, and even to call for fire from heaven, as Elias did, 2 Kings 1:11-12. His impostures, too, are so successful, that he deceiveth them that dwell on the earth, &c. — In this respect he perfectly resembles St. Paul’s man of sin, 2 Thessalonians 2:9; or rather they are one and the same character, represented in different lights, and under different names. It is further observable, that he is said to perform his miracles in the sight of men, in order to deceive them, and in the sight of the beast, in order to serve him: but not in the sight of God, to serve his cause, or promote his religion. Now miracles, visions, and revelations, are the mighty boast of the Church of Rome; the contrivances of an artful, cunning clergy, to impose upon an ignorant, credulous laity. Even fire is pretended to come down from heaven, as in the case of St. Anthony’s fire, and other instances, cited by Brightman and other writers on the Revelation: and in solemn excommunications, which are called the thunders of the church, and are performed with the ceremony of casting down burning torches from on high, as symbols and emblems of fire from heaven. Miracles are thought so necessary, that they are reckoned among the notes of the Catholic Church. But if these miracles were all real, we learn from hence what opinion we ought to frame of them; and what then shall we say, if they are all fictions and counterfeits? They are indeed so far from being any proofs of the true church, that they are rather a proof of a false one; and, as we see, the distinguishing mark of antichrist.
https://www.studylight.org/commentaries/rbc/revelation-13.html
And he caused all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark - To ascertain the meaning of the mark which the two-horned beast causes all orders and degrees of men in the Latin world to receive, we need only refer to Revelation 14:11, where the mark imposed by the two-horned beast is called the mark of his name. The name of the beast is the Latin empire: the mark of his name must therefore be his Latin worship: for this very reason, that it is the two-horned beast, or false prophet, who causes all descriptions of persons to receive it. Now it is well known that the continual employment of the Latin clergy is to enforce the Latin idolatry upon their flocks. The mass and offices of the Church, which are in Latin, and contain the sum and substance of their idolatrous worship, are of different kinds, and abound in impious prayers to the Virgin Mary, and the saints and angels. In a word, the Latin worship is the universal badge of distinction of the Latin Church, from all other Churches on the face of the earth; and is therefore the only infallible Mark by which a genuine papist can be distinguished from the rest of mankind. But the two-horned beast causes all to receive this mark:
https://www.studylight.org/commentaries/acc/revelation-13.html
I could go on, but why? YOU DON’T KNOW THE ONE, CORRECT INTERPRETATION OF REVELATIONS. NO ONE DOES!
“In the latter days I will pour out my spirit upon all flesh...and your old men will dream dreams, your young men will see visions and your daughters will prophesy”
Wow...nothing there is plainer in the Bible about spiritual gifts and the latter days than the above. Indeed even the unsaved might be influenced as well...I’m thinking about folks like Jules Verne who envisioned laser weapons and atomic power 80 years or more before they were built. We are the salt of the Earth and even the Earth is savored by the salt!
Christ says he stands at the door and knocks...how? By means of the Spirit that has been poured upon all flesh...now to invite the Spirit of Christ into our lives, to “open’ the door so that our inner men can be renewed and then be renewed daily, why that is the finishing work which was fashioned at Calvary and perfected by the Resurrected Son of Man!
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My view is the Jesus was a fully resurrected man with blood in him the same way Lazarus was a fully resurrected man with blood coursing thru him. Now Jesus is in heaven in a glorified body(as John encountered him in his visions at Patmos and as the disciples saw him at the mount of Transfiguration)...how that new body functions, well we’ll all find out someday!(having been given similarly new physical accomodations)
The reason why I believe has to do with 1John 4. The Bible also says that God would not let his Holy One suffer the corruption that comes with death. If Jesus is God and Man, then he lived as a man lives, suffered as a man suffers, died as a man would die, then he must also be resurrected as a man would be resurrected by the Father.(hence Lazarus!)
+1
But avoid foolish controversies, genealogies, arguments, and quarrels about the Law, because these things are pointless and worthless. Reject a divisive man after a first and second admonition, knowing that such a man is corrupt and sinful; he is self-condemned.…
.... and as He Himself showed us true spiritual warfare is the proper handling of the Word... as Christ demonstrated during the forty days in the desert when He was tempted to twist the Word by Satan..
And if you are still preaching Jesus was not raised in a flesh and blood body as the Mormons preach, and if you agree with John MacArthur that those who take the Mark of the Beast can later be redeemed...may you be cursed by the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob:
"But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed"
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