Posted on 08/03/2018 9:55:47 PM PDT by unlearner
LEXINGTON, Kentucky, Pro-homosexual dissident 'Catholic' groups see in Pope Francis' ‘changing’ of the Church’s teaching on the death penalty the hope that the Church will one day also change its teaching against homosexuality.
New Ways Ministry called the change in the Catechism proof that "Church teaching can change."
"It's important for Catholic advocates for LGBT equality to take note of this change because for decades Catholic opponents of LGBT equality argued that it is impossible to change church teaching. They often pointed to the fact that condemnations of same-sex relationships were inscribed in the Catechism, and so were not open for discussion or change. Yet, the teaching on the death penalty is in the Catechism, too, and, in fact, to make this change in teaching, it was the text of the Catechism that Francis changed," the group stated on its website.
New Ways Ministry, which works to "promote the acceptance of LGBT people," said that Pope Francis' move will help advance "LGBT equality" in a number of ways.
"First, we now have a clear, explicit contemporary example of church teaching changing, and also a look into how it can be done: with a papal change to the Catechism," it stated.
"Second, we can see that the process that brought about this change has been decades of theological debate and discussion, and not just a papal whim. That means the theological and even ecclesial discussions and debates right now about LGBT people have great potential to shape future changes in church teaching in regard to those topics," it added.
The pro-gay group was not the only one to see the significance of Pope Francis' rewrite of the Catechism.
In a post that appeared yesterday on Twitter, Lexington-based “Fortunate Families” wrote:
The church cannot change its teaching. That is what so many others say about other topics, for example regarding LGBTQ persons. But doctrine develops. Today’s news is a sterling example.
"The idea first floated by [the] Pope on Catechism’s 25th anniversary last fall to signify development of doctrine,” the tweet continued, “rescript issued today sees Francis issue edit of the 1994 official text, now deeming capital punishment ‘inadmissible’-- the new formulation.”
“Development of doctrine”, legitimately used to describe how the Catholic Church refines and expands, but never undermines or rejects, what was taught earlier, has now been interpreted by some to mean the erasure of settled Church teaching.
Critics say Pope Francis attempted to do that yesterday when he promulgated a new teaching concerning the death penalty in the Catechism of the Catholic Church, saying that it was “inadmissible.” The perennial teaching of the Church, based on Scripture and unanimously accepted by the Church Fathers and every pope until Francis, is that legitimate civil authority may impose the death penalty on a malefactor. Although both Saint John Paul II and Benedict XVI were strongly opposed to capital punishment--and John Paul’s Catechism strongly circumscribed it--neither pope denied this principle.
Pope Francis’ innovation has already become a club for American liberals to beat conservatives with. Jane Fleming Kleeb, Chair of the Democratic Party in Nebraska, has tweeted “Let's be clear Nebraskans, @GovRicketts is going against the teachings of the church. We can change leaders by voting different on Nov. 6--Democrats are against the death penalty.”
Fortunate Families, founded in 1992 by Mary Ellen and Casey Lopata, the Catholic parents of a same-sex attracted man, is a group of Catholic religious and laypeople who dissent on authentic Church teaching regarding sexuality and marriage. From 2010 until this July Fortunate Families was part of a coalition with Call to Action, the banned Dignity, and the censured New Ways ministry.
Astonishingly, since November 2017 Bishop John Stowe, OFM of Lexington has served as the dissident group’s “ecclesial advisor”. Stowe is one of the five bishops who have endorsed Fr. James Martin’s pro-LGBT book Building a Bridge. The bishop was appointed to the Lexington diocese by Pope Francis in 2015.
Fortunate Families was last in the news when a Lexington Catholic church stretched an LGBT flag across its front lawn. The first executive director of the group, Stan “JR” Zerkowski, is a parishioner at St. Paul’s parish, and told media that he hoped the banner got wide publicity.
“This is a church that is open to all people and I hope this sign gets that across,” he said in the TV report. “I don’t think a Catholic Church has ever had a sign like this before in front of it during Pride Week or any other time. However, in other parts of the country we see this regularly.”
The banner read “LBGTQ+ Catholic /Family, Friends & Allies/all are welcome”, insinuating that at other Catholic churches Catholics who experience same-sex desires or suffer from gender dysphoria are barred from the worship of God.
Former homosexual Joseph Sciambra retweeted the group’s Twitter message, saying “Bishop Stowe’s ‘Fortunate Families’ believe that the [Catechism of the Catholic Church] will also ‘change’ in terms of homosexuality. FF operatives are embedded within several dioceses around the US.”
Sciambra, a survivor of the San Francisco 1990s “gay scene”, is dedicated to helping people with same-sex attractions avoid being trapped in what he says is a dangerous way of life.
I have agreed with some of the articles posted written by msgr pope. Not many, but some.
Do you think you OWN an article just because you might be the first to post it on a thread? Does it occur to you that some non-caucus folks might appreciate an opportunity to comment about a topic? The FR rules say that somebody can repost a thread. Deal with it.
Of course they do. That's why there are so many caucus violations.
Of course they do. That's why there are so many caucus violations.
Reading and posting are two different things. Do you seriously not think before you post??
THIS is exactly what I've seen happen from some of our Roman Catholic posters.
And then, some, when the caucus thread is removed, complain to the RM about the label being removed!
Bottom line is this....if you're posting using the caucus label....it's YOUR responsibility to be sure the article meets the guidelines.
That seems to be a new ruling as of yesterday.
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That seems to be a new ruling as of yesterday.
Nope. That's been around a while per some of the more tenured members of FR.
It's an unwritten rule per the RM.
One has to read first before he posts a response.
Then you weren't paying attention. It was addressed in post 41 of this thread with a link to the following.
From June of 2017
http://freerepublic.com/focus/religion/3563504/posts?page=419#419
“Unwritten rule”?
Why not?
Yes....perhaps you should do this with the articles you post....might cut down on having the caucus label being removed.
Take it up with the RM.
But I have noted the section from the RM's page where a person can link to the article that may be caucused. I took it from that you could post it if you wanted to.
Since when is four hours considered a day?
Yep. That’s the one.
LOL!! Majoring in the minors!
They don’t read them - they lurk on them looking for “violations” so they can break the caucus. Not all, I’m sure, but the bunch that shows up on this thread. I’ve been a member longer than you and I know them all.
Paranoia will destroya.
Now I think you are being intentionally obtuse and ridiculous! Go back and read the very FIRST comment Unlearner posted on this thread. He stated:
Did you GET that ET? He AGREES with the Roman Catholic church teaching on abortion and homosexuality and asked in solidarity with you and other anti-Pope Francis RCs how you think regarding what appears as changing doctrines - some of the SAME complaints you have been screaming about here every day for quite some time. So explain to me how this thread confirms that we NEVER agree on anything? Would you have demanded his comments be deleted had he voiced this on "your" thread because he isn't in your caucus? My guess is yes, you would have.
You don't OWN this article nor its subject matter. Maybe you'll learn to pick your battles a little better in time.
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