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[Cathlic Caucus] US Association of Consecrated Virgins condemns ‘shocking’ new rules
Catholic Herald ^ | July 13, 2018 | Staff Reporter

Posted on 07/13/2018 5:53:37 PM PDT by ebb tide

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1 posted on 07/13/2018 5:53:37 PM PDT by ebb tide
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Next: pregnancy OK as long as you aren’t ‘showing’.


2 posted on 07/13/2018 5:57:18 PM PDT by SaxxonWoods (Hmmm)
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So, “consecrated virgins” don’t have to be virgins anymore...
and we all have heard that priests don’t have to be celibate (or even ‘straight’)anymore, either

what next?


3 posted on 07/13/2018 5:58:28 PM PDT by faithhopecharity ( "Politicans aren't born, they're excreted." -Marcus Tillius Cicero (3 BCE))
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To: ebb tide

what next?

clothing optional mass?


4 posted on 07/13/2018 5:59:06 PM PDT by faithhopecharity ( "Politicans aren't born, they're excreted." -Marcus Tillius Cicero (3 BCE))
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To: ebb tide
Leftists use "1984" as a blueprint on how to mangle language:


consecrated virgins need not be virgins


American Community-Organizers-in-Chief need not be Americans

5 posted on 07/13/2018 6:05:37 PM PDT by Pollster1 ("Governments derive their just powers from the consent of the governed")
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Why is this controversial?! Mary Magdalene was likely NOT a virgin when she encountered Christ, but is believed to have led a consecrated life of singleness after becoming a follower.

A lot of early Christians were prostitutes in their former lives. And to this day GOD has called His people from among the most sexually broken and abused.


6 posted on 07/13/2018 6:12:48 PM PDT by CondoleezzaProtege
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To: faithhopecharity
So, “consecrated virgins” don’t have to be virgins anymore... and we all have heard that priests don’t have to be celibate (or even ‘straight’)anymore, either

what next?

We needn't breed like rabbits.

7 posted on 07/13/2018 6:15:01 PM PDT by DoodleBob
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Rahab, a great heroine of the Bible was a prostitute...Mary Magdalene was not a virgin when she met Christ but likely led a life of singleness and permanent devotion afterward...And that’s just one example among numerous women throughout the ages who came to Christ after leading lives in darkness...

And what about women of faith who have been raped in the past? Should they be disqualified from consecrated life?

No.


8 posted on 07/13/2018 6:15:45 PM PDT by CondoleezzaProtege
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WOW! He really said such a thing!? WOW!

he appears to have zero understanding of love or marriage
(or Biblical morality or church teachings)

his wording is disparaging, insulting to millions of people, too


9 posted on 07/13/2018 6:17:54 PM PDT by faithhopecharity ( "Politicans aren't born, they're excreted." -Marcus Tillius Cicero (3 BCE))
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i do not believe (correct me if wrong, thanks) the issue is limited or even primarily about one’s past. at least, I do not argue that point. past is past,

the statement sounds like it would authorize or excuse breaking one’s (voluntarily-undertaken) vows ... in one’s future life (while supposedly upholding those vows)

Jesus reportedly taught the adultress to ‘go and sin no more’... keep her vows for the future....

best,
fhc


10 posted on 07/13/2018 6:21:02 PM PDT by faithhopecharity ( "Politicans aren't born, they're excreted." -Marcus Tillius Cicero (3 BCE))
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A lot of early Christians were prostitutes in their former lives.

But they were never considered to be virgins and they never called themselves virgins.

Francischurch has become a joke.

11 posted on 07/13/2018 6:22:52 PM PDT by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome.)
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There are other forms of consecrated life, e.g. for widows, but they don’t run around calling themselves virgins.


12 posted on 07/13/2018 6:26:01 PM PDT by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome.)
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Some women who encounter God later in life did not grow up in Catholic-Christian households and were likely not baptized as infants.

They may take a vow of chastity upon their entrance into the sacramental life of the Church: Baptism signifying the washing away of their sins (including sexual sins)...


13 posted on 07/13/2018 6:31:18 PM PDT by CondoleezzaProtege
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They may take a vow of chastity upon their entrance into the sacramental life of the Church: Baptism signifying the washing away of their sins (including sexual sins)...

That still doesn't make them "virgins".

14 posted on 07/13/2018 6:34:12 PM PDT by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome.)
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Physically and literally they might not be virgins. The same way physically Bread and Wine are not literally the Body and Blood of Jesus. But *spiritually* is a different story. And consecration is a spiritual act, a transformation takes place.

In God's eyes such women are washed in the blood of Christ and clothed now in His purity.

"Come now, let us settle the matter," says the LORD. "Though your sins are like scarlet, they shall be as white as snow; though they are red as crimson, they shall be like wool. ~ Isaiah 1:18

15 posted on 07/13/2018 6:42:58 PM PDT by CondoleezzaProtege
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yes. as far as past conduct is concerned, forgiven for sure


16 posted on 07/13/2018 6:49:49 PM PDT by faithhopecharity ( "Politicans aren't born, they're excreted." -Marcus Tillius Cicero (3 BCE))
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The same way physically Bread and Wine are not literally the Body and Blood of Jesus.

Are you even Catholic?

This is Catholic Caucus.

17 posted on 07/13/2018 6:53:17 PM PDT by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome.)
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I go to mass several mornings a week. Before the priest says the Eucharistic blessing of consecration — they are just bread and wine.


18 posted on 07/13/2018 6:55:22 PM PDT by CondoleezzaProtege
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To: CondoleezzaProtege; ebb tide
Consider this: the oldest consecration in the Church, historically, was the Order of Widows. As of a couple of years ago, there were orders of consecrated widows in France, Italy, Spain, Poland and Slovakia, not sure about the U.,S.

My thinking here, is that the members of an Order of Widows are widows And the members of an Order of Virgins, are virgins.

Doesn't that make sense?

And some religious orders include women of all sorts of backgrounds, such as the Daughters of Charity, which was founded by a widow, St. Elizabeth Seton.

My point is that there's room for a variety of different kinds of consecration. Any Catholic woman, no matter what her sexual or marital past, can be a consecrated woman.

But she can't be a consecrated widow if she's not a widow, and she can't be a consecrated virgin if she's not a virgin.

Those are just two specific niches. They don't comprise the whole of consecrated life. OK?

19 posted on 07/13/2018 7:12:36 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o ("Let us commend ourselves, and one another, and our whole life, unto Christ Our God.")
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Mary Magdalene was not a prostitute. That is tradition not based on scripture.

A virgin is a virgin, but not always physically. Rather like circumcision as the Apostle Paul wrote about it.


20 posted on 07/13/2018 7:17:32 PM PDT by madison10 (Pray for Brett Kavanaugh and President Trump)
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