Posted on 06/25/2018 6:35:18 PM PDT by Faith Presses On
...Aftermath: Part 3 was the sermon that got the most attention -- the one where Stanley suggested that you need to "unhitch" your faith from the Old Testament as he insisted the New Testament writers did. To make his point, Stanley taught from Acts 15 and the story of the Jerusalem council.
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...If Stanley said the conclusion of the Jerusalem council pertained to Mosaic dietary laws, how did he explain the command to abstain from sexual immorality? Not well.
Moral Decay
Stanley said, "If I were to hand everybody a 3x5 card, and I were to say, 'Tell me what you think this [sexual immorality] means or what this means to you, how many different answers would I get? About as many answers as there are cards, right?"
I hope not. There's only one answer to that question. Sexual immorality is any kind of sex or eroticism outside of the covenant of marriage between a man and his wife...
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"To send a bunch of Gentiles this, to abstain from sexual immorality, what does this even mean?" Stanley said, "This was a general call to avoid immoral behavior but not immoral behavior as defined by the Old Testament." By what standard is sexuality defined for the church? Stanley went on to explain that it is, "defined by the Apostle Paul who had been teaching in Antioch for two or more years."
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"Do you know what the Apostle Paul consistently tied sexual behavior to?" Stanley asked. "Not the Old Covenant. Not the Ten Commandments. The one commandment that Jesus gave us: that you are to treat others as God through Christ has treated you." That's certainly not wrong, but neither was it given any clarity...
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Quote-It was totally distorted in the king james translation beyond belief. Accept Jesus as the Son of God and quit worshiping the bible.
Which Jesus are you referring to, raiderboy?
There’s at least two that I have seen.
The false Jesus according to Rome, and the Way, Truth and Life, according to the scriptures.
How does one tell the difference without the scriptures?
How does one get sanctified in Truth when the Way says His Word is Truth?
Where do you get your version of Truth from?
Christ came to fulfill the Law.
In part, He did “away” with it by returning us to the simple faith of Abraham. He did not know the Law, but knew God.
However, you must retain the Old Testament for Christ to have any relevance.
Old Testament persons most definitely knew what was immoral or against God before the Law. Even Adam and Eve understood.
The New Testament requires the Old.
“bare false witness.”
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It’s “bear false witness”
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I disagree respectfully. It is clearly not relevant after the new covenant. The new covenant is “if you believe in my Son, you are forgiven”. If you don’t , you go to the grave and dust.
So homosexuality, abortion, etc. are okay with Jesus? When you feel guilt as a Christian that is not the conviction of the Holy Spirit, it is merely a human emotion? Basically one can do what one feels like as long as they believe in Christ?
So Andy doesn’t believe that the Bible is infallible?
Sorry Andy, You’re way off on this one.
Absolutely but only if they accept as true the sonship of Jesus. There is no question about that or we are all condemned . You do know that there is no “judgment “ for believers because we are imputed righteous and Jesus actually atoned for our sins on the cross. It was propitiation. Or do you argue that He died for nothing? You don’t go to trial if you are pardoned.
I do agree that all must accept Christ or there is no life in Heaven.
How does one know what is holy? Does not the entirety of the Old Testament provide such insight, along with the New?
Is this person any kin of Charles Stanley?
How futile.
“10 According to God’s grace that was given to me, I have laid a foundation as a skilled master builder, and another builds on it. But each one is to be careful how he builds on it. 11 For no one can lay any other foundation than what has been laid down. That foundation is Jesus Christ. 12 If anyone builds on the foundation with gold, silver, costly stones, wood, hay, or straw, 13 each one’s work will become obvious. For the day will disclose it, because it will be revealed by fire; the fire will test the quality of each one’s work. 14 If anyone’s work that he has built survives, he will receive a reward. 15 If anyone’s work is burned up, he will experience loss, but he himself will be saved—but only as through fire.” - 1 Cor 3
“4 For it is impossible to renew to repentance those who were once enlightened, who tasted the heavenly gift, who shared in the Holy Spirit, 5 who tasted God’s good word and the powers of the coming age, 6 and who have fallen away. This is because, to their own harm, they are recrucifying the Son of God and holding him up to contempt. 7 For the ground that drinks the rain that often falls on it and that produces vegetation useful to those for whom it is cultivated receives a blessing from God. 8 But if it produces thorns and thistles, it is worthless and about to be cursed, and at the end will be burned.” - Hebrews 6
Shhhh yes good old Andy...pastor at the Church of the Mega Mall
Don’t let him worry you. Folks know Johnny Hunt is just up the road
Andy, who is married with three children, is the son of Charles Stanly, and apparently the two do not see eye to eye. My Sunday School class has been using Andy's Bible study videos for the past several weeks. Our facilitator and many of the other class members love them, but we have done others that are much better. I saw another post about his "unusual" views a few weeks ago which changed my perspective toward him. I am glad that we are almost finished with the ones in our church library!
He came to fulfill, not undo.
I thought God’s Word as stated by Jesus was to love God with every fiber of your being and to love others as yourself - because where there is love there is no harm and that in and of itself fulfills the intent of the Law....Jesus lived under the Old Covenant and had to abide by it but He also told us how the New Covenant would change things.
Wow. Just when I thought you’d proven your lack of knowledge of Christianity on other threads you come up with this little gem.
Hey man ! Thanks. Look. We are here to converse. My intent is to speak. My intent is to defend my position but never get personal. The people here are special Americans. We need to support this site. It does tremendous damage to the communist anti sovereignties.! speak up or get off!
Speak your heart out. However, your education on the Scriptures is rather suspect.
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