Posted on 06/23/2018 7:48:28 AM PDT by Salvation
Bowing at the mention of Jesus’ name is an old practice that has since fallen into wide disuse
Msgr. Charles Pope June 10, 2018
Question: I was taught to nod my head when the name of Jesus was spoken. I see some priests and congregants do it, but not most. What is the current practice? — Diane Garrett, via email
Answer: Liturgically it is not required. This is a pious custom that, while less common today, is still observed by many. This is not only in the liturgy, but at any time the name of Jesus is uttered, and also, quite commonly, the name of Mary. In the traditional Latin Mass, where clergy wear birettas (a kind of square hat with a pom), there is the additional tipping (lifting off) of the biretta at the names of Jesus, Mary and the saint of the day. This external and very visible action also helped the faithful remember to bow their heads.
This laudable custom has sadly declined. Some clergy and others still observe it, and, while it is not required, it is worthy of being encouraged. Other customs too should not be forgotten, such as making the Sign of the Cross when passing a Catholic Church, praying the Angelus at noon and 6 p.m., and so forth. The generations raised in the 1960s and ’70s largely abandoned such practices. However, many of their children have rediscovered some of these lost customs like a precious heirloom brought down from the attic. Thus, while being careful not to harshly judge those who do not follow this non-required custom, many can joyfully take it up again and encourage others to do so.
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Wonderfully exposited.
Maybe some Catholics were taught different things. I don’t recall ever having been taught to make the sign of the cross, when passing a Catholic Church. Some may have been taught that, but not me, unless it was taught in catechism class, but I slept through most of those. 😁 What I do remember, is that inside the sanctuary, when crossing paths with the monstrance, we genuflected, but I did not make the sign of the cross. I noticed my wife’s uncle would dip his head, when passing a church, but I never did that when I was a catholic, either, so obviously, he was taught something different. I left it all behind though.
Ouch BB. That’s going to leave a scar. Are there any cult members who are spiritual?
Thank God I am no longer on the hamster wheel of guilt, and into the glorious world of YOPIOS. 😁😆🤣
“I missed the verse about at the name of Mary every knee will bow. Same for the saint of the day....”
Ditto.
“clergy wear birettas (a kind of square hat with a pom)
“tipping (lifting off) of the biretta at the names of Jesus, Mary and the saint of the day.
“making the Sign of the Cross when passing a Catholic Church
“praying the Angelus at noon and 6 p.m.”
How very sad.
My faith has found a resting place,
Not in device nor creed;
I trust the Ever-living One,
His wounds for me shall plead.
I need no other argument,
I need no other plea;
It is enough that Jesus died,
And that He died for me.
(The “Saint Of The Day”? Really?)
The One True Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church founded by Christ Jesus
The Nicene Creed
I believe in one God,
the Father almighty,
maker of heaven and earth,
of all things visible and invisible.
+10 One God
I believe in one Lord Jesus Christ,
the Only Begotten Son of God,
born of the Father before all ages.
+10 Christ Jesus
God from God, Light from Light,
true God from true God,
begotten, not made, consubstantial with the Father;
through him all things were made.
+ 1 Consubstantial with the Father
For us men and for our salvation
he came down from heaven,
+ 1 For our salvation
and by the Holy Spirit was incarnate of the Virgin Mary,
and became man.
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For our sake he was crucified under Pontius Pilate,
he suffered death and was buried,
and rose again on the third day
in accordance with the Scriptures.
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He ascended into heaven
and is seated at the right hand of the Father.
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He will come again in glory
to judge the living and the dead
and his kingdom will have no end.
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I believe in the Holy Spirit, the Lord, the giver of life,
who proceeds from the Father and the Son,
who with the Father and the Son is adored and glorified,
who has spoken through the prophets.
+10 Holy Trinity
I believe in one, holy, catholic and apostolic Church.
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I confess one Baptism for the forgiveness of sins
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and I look forward to the resurrection of the dead
and the life of the world to come.
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The Ten Commandments:
1. I am the LORD your God. You shall worship the Lord your God
and Him only shall you serve.
2. You shall not take the name of the Lord your God in vain.
3. Remember to keep holy the Sabbath day.
4. Honor your father and your mother.
5. You shall not murder.
6. You shall not commit adultery.
7. You shall not steal.
8. You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor.
9. You shall not covet your neighbor's wife.
10.You shall not covet your neighbor's goods.
+10 The Ten Commandments
The Greatest Commandment
1. Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with thy whole heart, and with thy
whole soul, and with thy whole mind, and with thy whole strength
2. Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself.
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The Seven Sacraments Catholic Church:
1. Baptism.
2. Eucharist.
3. Confirmation.
4. Reconciliation.
5. Anointing of the sick.
6. Marriage.(XY+XX)
7. Holy orders.
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The Precepts of the Catholic Church:
1. You shall attend Mass on Sundays and on holy days of obligation
and rest from servile labor.
2. You shall confess your sins at least once a year.
3. You shall receive the sacrament of the Eucharist at least during the
Easter season.
4. You shall observe the days of fasting and abstinence established by
the Church.
5. You shall help to provide for the needs of the Church.
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The seven chief corporal works of mercy:
1. To feed the hungry.
2. To give drink to the thirsty.
3. To clothe the naked.
4. To visit the imprisoned.
5. To shelter the homeless.
6. To visit the sick.
7. To bury the dead.
+ 7 Corporal Works
The seven chief spiritual works of mercy:
1. To admonish the sinner.
2. To instruct the ignorant.
3. To counsel the doubtful.
4. To comfort the sorrowful.
5. To bear wrongs patiently.
6. To forgive all injuries.
7. To pray for the living and the dead.
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Pro-Life - From Conception Until Natural Death
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Are you referring to this?
This is not a scorecard to evaluate how good a Catholic one is but how Catholic a good (Christian) one is. You have been instructed that my list is meant to help build unity among our Christian brothers and sisters upon our shared core beliefs but you continue to read my mind which is the only way you could come up with your absurd and incorrect assumption that you continue to spread here on FR.
The fact that you didn't courtesy ping me says much more about you than it does me.
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From your list:
How Catholic am I?
.....not how good of a Christian I am.....but how Catholic I am.
And then you give the scorecard to tally up the points.
And your list is a list of beliefs of Roman Catholicism with some elements of Christianity mixed in. Kind of hard to talk about "shared beliefs" when your list is derived primarily from Roman Catholicism.
Oh, and you've been told your list of the 10 Commandments is a false one not found in the Old Testament....yet you continue to post it.
What does that say about you??
Christianity and Roman Catholicism.....there is a difference.
How does anyone know for sure, if today’s saint is really in Heaven? He might be burning in Hell, for all we know. 😁
Amen. We faithfully proclaim the Gospel of Grace.
God alone opens eyes.
Those obsessed by their religion and works and ritual don’t understand the meaning of grace.
Such we’re we.
My faith has found a resting place,
Not in device nor creed;
I trust the Ever-living One,
His wounds for me shall plead.
I need no other argument,
I need no other plea;
It is enough that Jesus died,
And that He died for me.
———————
Amen
The “Saint Of The Day”
Collect them All!!
I realize this may be a little beyond your experience but many of us are opposing the religion called Catholicism. The people caught up in that works based religion, striving to obtain salvation via fealty to Catholicism sacraments and rituals are to be notified. Members of the Ekklesia, HIS CHURCH, are commanded to spread the Word ‘in season and out of season’. We are not harassing catholics, we are sounding a warning, because Catholicism is not Christian, though it is touted as the one true church.
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Hey, you’re starting to sound like Elsie!
I beg you to read Galatians again, this time without assuming he is presenting Luther's ideas about faith and works. Paul mentions circumcision 13 times. He mentions both the Council of Jerusalem and his confrontation with Peter, both over the issue of keeping the Mosaic Law. In Chapter 3 he specifically says that he is speaking of the law that came 430 years after Abraham, i.e. the Law of Moses. Notice what he says in Chapter 5:
2 It is I, Paul, who am telling you that if you have yourselves circumcised, Christ will be of no benefit to you. 3 Once again I declare to every man who has himself circumcised that he is bound to observe the entire law. 4 You are separated from Christ, you who are trying to be justified by law; you have fallen from grace. 5 For through the Spirit, by faith, we await the hope of righteousness. 6 For in Christ Jesus, neither circumcision nor uncircumcision counts for anything, but only faith working through love.The law is that bound by circumcision, the Law of Moses. He shows his exasperation with the call for circumcision in 5:12: Would that those who are upsetting you might also castrate themselves! This is not the moral law of God. Indeed, the whole point that Paul is making is not that we are free observance of the moral law of God, but that through Jesus Christ we are empowered by the Holy Spirit to live according to the moral law. He specifically speaks of the Christian life in terms of law:
5:13 For you were called for freedom, brothers. But do not use this freedom as an opportunity for the flesh; rather, serve one another through love. 14 For the whole law is fulfilled in one statement, namely, “You shall love your neighbor as yourself.”(The "law" here means the moral law rather than the Mosaic Law; loving one's neighbor does not require circumcision.) This mirrors what our Lord himself says about the Commandments. Paul also warns that failure to live according to this law of love will bar us from the kingdom of God:
5:16 I say, then: live by the Spirit and you will certainly not gratify the desire of the flesh 17 For the flesh has desires against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh; these are opposed to each other, so that you may not do what you want. 18 But if you are guided by the Spirit, you are not under the law. 19 Now the works of the flesh are obvious: immorality, impurity, licentiousness, 20 idolatry, sorcery, hatreds, rivalry, jealousy, outbursts of fury, acts of selfishness, dissensions, factions, 21 occasions of envy, drinking bouts, orgies, and the like. I warn you, as I warned you before, that those who do such things will not inherit the kingdom of God. 22 In contrast, the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, generosity, faithfulness, 23 gentleness, self-control. Against such there is no law. 24 Now those who belong to Christ [Jesus] have crucified their flesh with its passions and desires. 25 If we live in the Spirit, let us also follow the Spirit.Again, in Chapter 6, he emphasizes the importance of living according to what he calls the "law of Christ":
2 Bear one another’s burdens, and so you will fulfill the law of Christ. 3 For if anyone thinks he is something when he is nothing, he is deluding himself. 4 Each one must examine his own work, and then he will have reason to boast with regard to himself alone, and not with regard to someone else; 5 for each will bear his own load. 6 One who is being instructed in the word should share all good things with his instructor. 7 Make no mistake: God is not mocked, for a person will reap only what he sows, 8 because the one who sows for his flesh will reap corruption from the flesh, but the one who sows for the spirit will reap eternal life from the spirit. 9 Let us not grow tired of doing good, for in due time we shall reap our harvest, if we do not give up.There is no escape here just because one has faith.
I believe that part of the problem with Protestants properly understanding what Paul is saying about faith and works is that they do not recognize the profound difference between the Law of Moses and the moral law of God. The Law of Moses is purely external; one could obey it and still be filled with hate. The moral law is internal, the call to love God with one's whole heart and his neighbor as himself. Being purely external, the Law of Moses could not free us from the sins that reside within us. But through Jesus Christ we receive the Spirit of God which does what the external Law of Moses could not; it frees us from the sin within us and empowers us to live according to the will of the God:
Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father in heaven. (Matthew 7:21)No, in Galatians Paul is not pitting observing the moral law against faith; he is speaking only of circumcision and the Mosaic Law.
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I don't know any Christian that thinks 1,000th as much about Luther as a Catholic. And it is likely that the vast majority of Christians have heard of Luther in some vague way and absolutely never think about him...Though it is a loss, since God used him so powerfully to recover the Gospel of Grace.
● There is no escape here just because one has faith.
It isn't about "escape". It is about salvation and assurance of salvation.
"And this is the testimony: God has given us eternal life, and this life is in his Son.
Whoever has the Son has life; whoever does not have the Son of God does not have life.
"I write these things to you who believe in the name of the Son of God so that you may *know* that you have eternal life.
- 1 John 5:11-13
I am sorry you do not have salvation and assurance of salvation... but you could.
It would involve turning from your beads and rituals and works - to Him alone in faith.
● I believe that part of the problem with Protestants properly understanding what Paul is saying about faith and works is that they do not recognize the profound difference between the Law of Moses and the moral law of God.
Now that is funny. 😀I believe the problem is that most Romans are unwilling to do the work to understand the Scriptures.
As seen on this thread.
I actually had a FRoman tell me she couldn't spend the time on Bible Study because, "... she had a life!"
And so it goes.
The first great Ekklesia Council also made note that some were going out from Jerusalem trying to tell the new Christians that they needed to follow Mosaic Law and rituals. It was the reason for the Council. But we ought take note, too, that the Galatians were not converted Jews, so Paul would be bringing them up in the way that they should go, following what the Council sent to the new believers in the issued letter ... advice which ‘seemed good to the Holy Spirit’ and the members.
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