United Methodists Remove ‘Father’ from Apostle’s Creed to Be More Gender Inclusive to God

Pulpit and Pen ^ | JUNE 11, 2018

[clee1]

My congregation hasn’t adopted this, nor will they.

[Albion Wilde]

Here is a link to all the scores of passages referring to the word "father" in the NT. There were too many for me to list below, so ignore the ones referring to the earthly fathers of the apostles, etc.

I'm not seeing many referring to Him solely as Creator. The arrow to scroll to each next page is at the bottom on the right, in a darker gray stripe above the red stripe:

Passages where the word Father appears in the NT

[kosciusko51]

So, when Paul the Apostle referred to “traditions” received from Paul in 2 Thessalonians 3:6, where they 140 years old, or a much shorter period of time?

[Pontiac]

A better translation for ‘traditions’ in that passage is ‘teaching’.

[bmwcyle]

2 Peter 3:16 He writes the same way in all his letters, speaking in them of these matters. His letters contain some things that are hard to understand, which ignorant and unstable people distort, as they do the other Scriptures, to their own destruction.

[kosciusko51]

Interesting. I don’t doubt you, but do you have a source for that? I like it for future reference.

[Pontiac]

Bible hub .

This page has a collection of different translations. Most say tradition. I think this is more a following of a ‘traditional’ King James translation than anything else. But you will see the use of the words command, teaching and instruction any which I think is more proper considering that Christian teaching was only a few decades old.

You can find commentary that explains that 2 Thessalonians 3:6 speaks to Paul’s previous letter that had spoken against idleness and disruptive individuals and so here wrote more forcefully and the ‘traditions’ is a reference to the previous ‘teaching’ after the words in the previous letter went unheeded.

[Buckeye McFrog]

No wonder the Methodist Church on my mother’s street got down to a congregation of 13 and then closed.

[kosciusko51]

Thanks!

[imardmd1]

A better translation for ‘traditions’ in that passage is ‘teaching’.

In a broad sense, perhaps. The correct sense for paradoses is "oral precepts" that are given face-to-face in discipling. When inspired sayings these become codified by writing them down, they become effective to the reader as God-given scripture.

Strong's G3862; see 1 Thess. 2:15 as used here. Occurs 12 times in the NT overall context.

[SkyDancer]

The internet has a wealth of information you could have a great time researching it.

[SkyDancer]

I know about them - problem is the interpretation from the old written parchments and how scribes had reinterpreted what those parchments said. Question: Who is the Word, the Logos?

[SkyDancer]

Question: Who is the Logos? Who was talking from the burning bush? Who said “let there be light”?
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[SkyDancer]

Yes, but - what is the interpretation behind that word (pater)?

[Mrs. Don-o]

God. The Blessed Trinity.

[SkyDancer]

Question: Who is the I Am?

[Mrs. Don-o]

The “I AM”? God.

There is only one God. The Blessed Trinity.

[SkyDancer]

So then Yeshua is God since He said he was the I Am when questioned.

[Mrs. Don-o]

Yes. And because he said it in the present (or eternally present) tense when referring to what would be (to a human person) the past: "before Abraham came to be," not "I was, but "I AM."

And because He said "the Father and I are One."

[Mom MD]

God must have been wrong and a terrible bigot to refer to Himself as masculine. Not to mention that Jesus calls the Father Father... someone needs to straighten God out and tell Him to get with the times.......

Do I really need a /s
I highly doubt God is amused