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To: Salvation

I presume that some do not know the Greek was the translation from the Aramaic the language that Jesus and Simon spoke. There was no distinction between petros and petra.

Jesus gave the keys to the kingdom to Peter?

Jesus gave the power to bind and loosen?

Jesus established a visible and hierarchical church

We know from elsewhere in Scripture Jesus clearly intends his church to be visible with a hierarchical structure. Take for example Matthew 16:18-19: Jesus promises to make Peter the rock upon which he will build his church, which indicates Jesus’ intention for Peter to be the visible foundation for the Church of Christ on Earth—a visible marker that identifies Jesus’ true church. Wherever the foundation is, there is the true church.

Jesus also gives Peter the keys of the kingdom (Matt. 16:19). In the Jewish tradition, the image of the keys signifies a governing role in the Davidic kingdom known as the royal steward (see Isa. 22:15-22). If Peter is a governor, then there must be a society to govern. Sounds like a visible and hierarchical church to me.

In another passage in Matthew, Jesus makes it clear the church, and not the individual, is the final court of appeal when it comes to settling disputes among Christians:

“If your brother sins against you, go and tell him his fault, between you and him alone. If he listens to you, you have gained your brother. But if he does not listen, take one or two others along with you, that every word may be confirmed by the evidence of two or three witnesses. If he refuses to listen to them, tell it to the church; and if he refuses to listen even to the church, let him be to you as a Gentile and a tax collector. Truly, I say to you, whatever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven” (Matt. 18:15-18)


7 posted on 06/02/2018 7:02:53 AM PDT by ADSUM
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To: ADSUM

“Greek was the translation from the Aramaic the language that Jesus and Simon spoke”

No.

The Holy Spirit inspired the NT in Greek. The words are His and they are Greek words.


12 posted on 06/02/2018 7:08:58 AM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion (Q is Admiral Michael S. Rogers)
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To: Salvation

Jesus and Simon had personal names:

Jesus of Nazareth
and Simon, son of Jonah

They both had official names (names of office)

Jesus - Christ (Messiah)
Simon - Peter, Petros, Cephas, (Rock man)

This expression, “Simon, who is called the Petros,” seems to make it quite clear that “Petros” is the name of an office and not a personal name and that it is thus parallel to “Jesus, who is called the Christ.” The great Petrine text in Matthew shows that Simon is called the Petros because he is to be the foundation of the Church.
https://www.catholic.com/magazine/print-edition/simon-the-petros


31 posted on 06/02/2018 7:53:59 AM PDT by ADSUM
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To: ADSUM

I find it interesting that those who insist that the Holy Spirit inspired the NT in Greek also insist that the Holy Spirit did not inspire some of the OT books written in Greek.


70 posted on 06/02/2018 11:17:27 AM PDT by rwa265
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To: ADSUM

Excellent post.


75 posted on 06/02/2018 11:49:20 AM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: ADSUM
You asserted: "Take for example Matthew 16:18-19: Jesus promises to make Peter the rock upon which he will build his church, which indicates Jesus’ intention for Peter to be the visible foundation for the Church of Christ on Earth"

When you purposely conflate the institutional church with the Ekklesia which Jesus established based upon the revelation spoken by Peter under the leadership of The Holy Spirit, you are deceiving people. Is it okay for a Preist to deceive people?

80 posted on 06/02/2018 11:59:25 AM PDT by MHGinTN (A dispensational perspective is a powerful tool for discernment)
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Doesn’t matter what the Aramaic would say.

We have the Scriptures in GREEK, not Aramaic.

It’s what the Greek would say and those who would reject Jesus as the Rock on which HIS church is built would, of course, want to find ANY excuse to be able to explain it away as Peter.


90 posted on 06/02/2018 1:00:18 PM PDT by metmom ( ...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith..)
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To: ADSUM
I presume that some do not know the Greek was the translation from the Aramaic the language that Jesus and Simon spoke.

You presume to know this as fact. However, this is not the case.

What is agreed upon by all is the NT was written in Greek.

163 posted on 06/02/2018 8:38:23 PM PDT by ealgeone
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