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[Catholic Caucus] For second time, Pope sends special envoy to Medjugorje
Crux ^ | May 31, 2018 | Inés San Martín

Posted on 05/31/2018 2:50:58 PM PDT by ebb tide

ROME - For the second time, Pope Francis is sending a special envoy to the famed site of Medjugorje, in this case to care for a local parish that sees millions of pilgrims arriving each year because of what some believe are apparitions of Mary Our Lady Queen of Peace at the Bosnian-Herzegovinian location.

The Vatican announced Thursday that Archbishop Henryk Hoser, now retired as the Archbishop of Warsaw in Poland, has been appointed Apostolic Visitor “for an undetermined time” to the Saint James parish of Medjugorje, which is run by the Franciscan friars.

His missions, according to a statement released by the Holy See’s Press Office, will be to “guarantee a stable and continuous accompaniment of the parish community of Medjugorje and the faithful who arrive in pilgrimage, whose demands require special attention.”

It also says that the appointment is “exclusively pastoral,” and a continuation of the mission Hoser began in February 2017 and which concluded in recent months.

Hoser was appointed by the pope in February 2017 to study the pastoral care given to the town’s residents and visiting pilgrims.

The original mission entrusted to Hoser was not to determine the veracity of the alleged apparitions, and he has said it has a “supplementary character” to a study conducted by the Vatican’s Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, which was led by Italian Cardinal Camillo Ruini in 2010-14.

Last year, Hoser told Poland’s KAI Catholic news agency that “from a pastoral point of view, there is a very positive result.”

“My mission was not to make a judgement on Medjugorje, but to evaluate whether the pastoral ministry was proper and consistent with the doctrine and teaching of the Church, and effective and well-organized. I concluded that this is the case,” the archbishop said.

He said the site had the same character as Fatima, Lourdes, Lisieux and Czestochowa.

“The biggest phenomenon is confession,” Hoser told KAI.

There are over 50 confessionals in the Saint James church, with priests from all over the world hearing confessions and continuous lines of penitents, even if it’s raining.

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The archbishop also said last year that the Vatican’s Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith has provided all the documentation surrounding the alleged apparitions to the Secretariat of State, where officials are now working on it.

He said at the time that “every indication” is that the apparitions will be approved, “specifically, I think it’s possible to recognize the authenticity of the first [seven] apparitions as proposed by the Ruini commission.”

By “Ruini commission,” Hoser was referring to a study made by the Vatican’s Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith led by Ruini. It was called by Pope Benedict XVI in 2010 to study the Medjugorje question, and it concluded its work in 2014. On June 6, 2015, Francis told reporters that “we’ve reached the point of making a decision and then they will say.”

The alleged apparitions began in June 1981, and they are often divided into two: the “originals,” which took place during the period of June 24-July 3 of that year, and all the ones that followed. Some of the six alleged seers claim that they continue to receive apparitions on a regular basis.

Speaking to journalists May 13, 2017, on his way back to Rome from a two-day visit to Fatima, Portugal, where according to the Catholic Church the Virgin appeared to three shepherds in the early 1900s, Francis said regarding the Ruini report, “three things need to be distinguished.”

“About the first apparitions, when (the ‘seers’) were young, the report more or less says that the investigation needs to continue,” the pope said.

“Concerning the alleged current apparitions, the report expresses doubts,” he said. Furthermore, “personally, I am more ‘mischievous.’ I prefer Our Lady to be a mother, our mother, and not a telegraph operator who sends out a message every day at a certain time - this is not the mother of Jesus.”

Francis said his “personal opinion” is that “these alleged apparitions have no great value.”

The “real core” of the commission’s report, he said, is “the spiritual fact, the pastoral fact” that thousands of pilgrims go to Medjugorje and are converted.

“For this there is no magic wand; this spiritual-pastoral fact cannot be denied,” he said.

According to a report from Vatican Insider, that came three days after the pope’s words to journalists, the commission voted overwhelmingly to recognize as supernatural the first seven appearances of Mary in 1981. For the ongoing alleged apparitions, two of the 17 commission members and consultants thought the visions were not supernatural, while the other members said it was not possible to make a judgment.

The city is a pilgrimage hub because of the reported apparitions, with millions arriving each year to climb Mount Podbrdo, a steep and rock-strewn path that ascends to the actual location where the Virgin allegedly first appeared, and at times is believed to continue to do so.

In 1981, Medjugorje was an unexceptional farming community of some 400 Croatian families in the former Yugoslavia, and most believe it would still be had it not been for the Marian messages.

Local bishops of the Diocese of Mostar-Duvno have been skeptical about the phenomenon since it allegedly began, back in 1981, when Our Lady Queen of Peace first allegedly appeared to a group of seers, and continues to do so.

The current bishop, Ratko Peri, reiterated his belief the apparitions were not genuine in February of last year, after Hoser’s appointment was announced.


TOPICS: Catholic; Current Events
KEYWORDS: francischurch; hoaxes; mejagoogoo; tickytackytrolling
Local bishops of the Diocese of Mostar-Duvno have been skeptical about the phenomenon since it allegedly began, back in 1981, when Our Lady Queen of Peace first allegedly appeared to a group of seers, and continues to do so.

The current bishop, Ratko Peri, reiterated his belief the apparitions were not genuine in February of last year, after Hoser’s appointment was announced.

If at first you don't succeed, try, try again. Bergoglio

1 posted on 05/31/2018 2:50:58 PM PDT by ebb tide
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To: ebb tide

I don’t thing the alleged Medjugorje apparitions are legit.
But how to handle it is kind of delicate, isn’t it? You can’t tell people “Don’t pray here.” People can pray anywhere.


2 posted on 05/31/2018 3:28:28 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (Whatever is pure, anything of excellence, anything praiseworthy ---keep thinking about these things.)
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To: ebb tide; Mrs. Don-o

I remember the Medjugorje reports. A colleague of mine thought they may have been valid and his wife was totally convinced. I had them sign me up for the messages that were received from “Mary” and then sent out world wide. He and I discussed them periodically. I had a sense that they were not to be trusted, I can’t say why, but the more of them I read and thought about, something just didn’t ‘add up.’


3 posted on 05/31/2018 3:41:09 PM PDT by GreyFriar (Spearhead - 3rd Armored Division 75-78 & 83-87)
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To: Mrs. Don-o
You can’t tell people “Don’t pray here.” People can pray anywhere.

That's right. But you shouldn't encourage pilgrimges there, no more than pilgrimages to Mecca.

4 posted on 05/31/2018 4:13:03 PM PDT by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome.)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

Medjugorge is not trustworthy. The “visionaries” are making a ton of money off Mary and that is indecent and untrustworthy. My family and friends went there in the early 1990’s and got a rocky hike, a few golden rosaries and crushed hopes of grander visions. There are better options: Fatima, Lourdes and Rome.


5 posted on 05/31/2018 4:42:47 PM PDT by Falconspeed ("Keep your fears to yourself, but share your courage with others." Robert Louis Stevenson (1850-94))
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To: ebb tide; All

Of course it is legit. What is wrong with you people.

How many times have you investigated it?


6 posted on 05/31/2018 7:11:05 PM PDT by PraiseTheLord (Q)
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To: PraiseTheLord
Of course it is legit. What is wrong with you people.

Wake up and smell the roses.

For the record: Local Bishop confirms Medjugorje is a hoax

7 posted on 05/31/2018 7:29:23 PM PDT by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome.)
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To: ebb tide

We all know that the Bp’s have always been against it. Soo?

I cant argue with anyone so ignorant of the phenomenon.

But to millions and millions of others — tsk — are missing out on something — gift from God.


8 posted on 05/31/2018 7:39:18 PM PDT by PraiseTheLord (Q)
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To: Falconspeed

hogwash :((


9 posted on 05/31/2018 7:41:36 PM PDT by PraiseTheLord (Q)
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To: PraiseTheLord; Falconspeed
The Medjugorje Hoax
10 posted on 05/31/2018 7:50:04 PM PDT by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome.)
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To: ebb tide

I mean millions and millions. Mass there every day in all languages. Confessions, lines, all languages.

BTW article implies 50 confessionals IN the church. But they are nice new built after phenomenon was ongoing and in need — are OUTSIDE of church.

FYI one year hmm may have been 2004, before the wars there, Medjugorge was the FOURTH MOST FLYED BY PLANE TO IN THE WORLD. How about THAT! (well, they don’t really go THERE)


11 posted on 05/31/2018 8:01:27 PM PDT by PraiseTheLord (Q)
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To: PraiseTheLord
I mean millions and millions.

So what's your point? The majority rules?

There have been been million and millions of babies murdered by their Catholic mothers also; does that make abortion legitimate?

12 posted on 05/31/2018 8:14:17 PM PDT by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome.)
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To: ebb tide

Popes have been sometimes wrong. and also bishops. also ebb tide.

I am pointing out how many millions of spiritual Catholics have investigated and are convinced.

Reminds one of the beginnings of other notable places where the people had it right to start with. You know, like, Lourdes, Fatima et al.

Of course, we all know this one is unique.


13 posted on 05/31/2018 8:29:37 PM PDT by PraiseTheLord (Q)
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To: PraiseTheLord
Mass there every day in all languages.

Any Masses in Latin? That's all you'll need to exorcise the place.

14 posted on 05/31/2018 8:31:50 PM PDT by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome.)
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To: PraiseTheLord
Popes have been sometimes wrong. and also bishops. also ebb tide.

And Medjagoogoo fanatics are wrong all the time.

15 posted on 05/31/2018 8:34:55 PM PDT by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome.)
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To: PraiseTheLord

“I am pointing out how many millions of spiritual Catholics have investigated and are convinced.”

Seems like the kind of place Irish Catholics would flock to. Maybe that’s where they get their orthodox ideas on morality /s.


16 posted on 05/31/2018 9:28:46 PM PDT by steve86 (Prophecies of Maelmhaedhoc O'Morgair (Latin form: Malachy))
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