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To: Luircin
First, Christ established His Church:

“Jesus replied, "Blessed are you, Simon son of Jonah, for this was not revealed to you by flesh and blood, but by my Father in heaven. And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.” Mat 16:17-18

Then he said He will send the Spirit to guide us into all Truth:

“I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now. Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.” John 16:12-13

And note, Scripture says THE CHURCH is the pillar and foundation of that Truth:

“But if I tarry long, that thou mayest know how thou oughtest to behave thyself in the house of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and foundation of the truth.” 1Tim 3:15

And Christ did not imply this was a temporary thing, until, say, there was a Bible or a bunch of heretics created their own religions 1,500 years later.

Then Jesus came to them and said, "All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age." Mat 28:18-20

There can only be one Truth. But the men of the Protestant ‘reformation’ – breaking away after 1,500 years from the Church Christ established – discovered a ‘new’ truth and introduced false teachings.

Paul warned us about those introducing false teachings, "For the time will come when men will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear. They will turn their ears away from the truth and turn aside to myths." (2 Tim. 4:3–4).

The protestant “reformation” is simply not Biblical:

“I appeal to you, brothers, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that all of you agree with one another so that there may be no divisions among you and that you may be perfectly united in mind and thought. My brothers, some from Chloe's household have informed me that there are quarrels among you. What I mean is this: One of you says, "I follow Paul"; another, "I follow Apollos"; another, "I follow Cephas"; still another, "I follow Christ."

Is Christ divided? Was Paul crucified for you? Were you baptized into the name of Paul? I am thankful that I did not baptize any of you except Crispus and Gaius, so no one can say that you were baptized into my name. Yes, I also baptized the household of Stephanas; beyond that, I don't remember if I baptized anyone else.) For Christ did not send me to baptize, but to preach the gospel—not with words of human wisdom, lest the cross of Christ be emptied of its power. 1Cor 1:10-17

You could easily read the above as “One of you says, "I follow Luther"; another, "I follow Calvin"; another, "I follow Wesley"; still another, "I follow Christ."

Christians cannot be “perfectly united in mind and thought” when they have different beliefs on, say, the necessity of water baptism, while others believe “This is my Body” means “This is a cookie”

There can be only one ‘Truth’ – Christ is THE way, THE truth, THE life. One, not many.

And what if you have a disagreement with a brother as to what is ‘The Truth?’ Where do you go to resolve your issue? Scripture tells us what to do:

"If your brother sins against you, go and show him his fault, just between the two of you. If he listens to you, you have won your brother over. But if he will not listen, take one or two others along, so that 'every matter may be established by the testimony of two or three witnesses.' If he refuses to listen to them, tell it to the Church; and if he refuses to listen even to the Church, treat him as you would a pagan or a tax collector.

Right – the Church. The Church Christ established to teach the TRUTH.

Fortunately, we have Christ’s promise that heresies will never prevail against the Church. They will arise, endure sometimes for centuries, like Protestantism, but we can be confident in Christ’s promise that the Church He established will always teach the Truth.

39 posted on 05/23/2018 6:58:34 PM PDT by FatherofFive (Islam is EVIL and needs to be eradicated)
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To: FatherofFive
In spite of all the selected Scriptures you quoted we don't see the Roman Catholic Church in the New Testament.

Roman Catholicism says: Scripture and Tradition together are equal.

The New Testament says: Scripture alone is the Word of God (John 10:35; 2 Timothy 3:16,17; 2 Peter 1:20,21; Mark 7:1-13).

Roman Catholicism says: Mary is the co-redeemer, for she participated with Christ in the painful act of redemption.

The New Testament says: Christ alone is the Redeemer, for He alone suffered and died for sin (1 Peter 1:18,19).

Roman Catholicism says: Mary is the co-mediator, to whom we can entrust all our cares and petitions.

The New Testament says: Christ Jesus is the one mediator to whom we can entrust all our cares and petitions (1 Timothy 2:5; John 14:13,14; 1 Peter 5:7).

Roman Catholicism says: The Roman Catholic Church is necessary for salvation.

The New Testament says: There is salvation in no one but the Lord Jesus Christ, “for there is no other name under heaven that has been given among men by which we must be saved” (Acts 4:12).

Roman Catholicism says: Each sacrifice of the Mass appeases God's wrath against sin.

The New Testament says: The once-for-all sacrifice of the cross fully appeased God's wrath against sin (Hebrews 10:12-18).

Roman Catholicism says: The sacrificial work of redemption is continually carried out through the sacrifice of the Mass.

The New Testament says: The sacrificial work of redemption was finished when Christ gave His life for us on the cross (Ephesians 1:7; Hebrews 1:3).

42 posted on 05/23/2018 7:13:12 PM PDT by ealgeone
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To: FatherofFive

Except your house of cards falls on your very first statement. Jesus Christ is the Rock on which the Church is built rendering every other card you place on your false foundation (peter) meaningless. Error multiplied on error does not equal truth no matter how stridently you insist


50 posted on 05/23/2018 7:28:16 PM PDT by Mom MD ( .)
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To: FatherofFive

You know, you posted something that is very close to tl;dr.

I’ll make my response as brief as I can.

You STILL haven’t proved that the organization current-day calling itself Roman Catholic has any of the authority that Jesus gave to the Apostles.

Your entire post is the logical fallacy of begging the question; your entire post presumes your argument instead of arguing it.

In fact, the Romanists teach the opposite of what Jesus taught; in the book of Revelation, Jesus himself says that he will remove the lampstand of faithless churches as well.

Your church leadership is full of the wickedest of sinners; your doctrine teaches opposite to the Apostolic teaching of salvation (Ephesians 2, John 3:16, Romans 3), and so why should I ever submit to the authority of false teachers?


76 posted on 05/23/2018 9:44:46 PM PDT by Luircin
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To: FatherofFive

Oh, and in case you can’t guess, the condescending attitude was NOT appreciated.


77 posted on 05/23/2018 9:45:54 PM PDT by Luircin
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To: FatherofFive
The protestant “reformation” is simply not Biblical:

Oh?
Sounds like it to me!


Revelation 18:4

Then I heard another voice from heaven saying, “Come out of her, my people, lest you take part in her sins, lest you share in her plagues;


85 posted on 05/24/2018 5:32:42 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: FatherofFive

Might as well jump in, I guess. Not to argue, but to explore. Can I assume that you know that Jesus used two different words, when He was speaking to Peter about building His Church? Peter, he call Petros (a piece of rock). Then He said, “On this Petra (a mass of rock) I will build of Me, a Church. Because he used two different words, most of the protestant church believes He was referring to Himself, when He said the above. (Those words, “of me”, are in the original Greek text.) Why would he use two different words? I’m not familiar with how RC’s believe, but we refer to Jesus, as the Rock of our salvation: “The LORD is my rock, and my fortress, and my deliverer; my God, my strength, in whom I will trust; my buckler, and the horn of my salvation, and my high tower.” Psalms 18:2 (In that versa, the Hebrew word for rock, means, “to be lofty; a craggy rock, literally; figuratively, a fortress, stronghold). My only other thought, is the relationship between Peter and Paul. As you know, Paul wrote a good portion of the New Testament. I recall at one point, Paul rebuked Peter, in front of the Church that was meeting together, there, because Peter tried to go along with the Jewish believers who still clung to traditions, and he would not eat with gentile Christians, when Jewish Christians were present. In Scripture, Paul says, “I withstood him (Peter) to his face...” Galatians 2:11-14. That passage of Scripture has always been very interesting to me. In fact, Paul decided (under the influence of the Holy Spirit, I’m sure) he would preach to the gentiles, and Peter would preach to the Jews. (Not for the above reasons, but because the Jews heavily persecuted him, and tried to kill him, several times. (Personally, I believe it is because Paul had been a learned Jew, of the Pharisee sect, before his conversion, and they knew that he was an expert regarding the Scriptures, so that he was very dangerous to their beliefs).


174 posted on 05/28/2018 9:06:59 PM PDT by Flaming Conservative ((Pray without ceasing))
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