Cardinal Eijk: “Pope Francis Completely Incomprehensible”

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[ebb tide]

Cardinal Eijk: “Pope Francis Completely Incomprehensible”

Pope Francis' wish that the German bishops should try to achieve unanimity regarding the acceptance of Protestant Communion is “completely incomprehensible”, according to Cardinal Willem Eijk of Utrecht, Netherlands.

Writing in ncregister.com (May 7), Eijk states the obvious, that even if all German bishops agree to “allow” Protestant Communion, it is still contrary to the Faith,

“The practice of the Catholic Church, based on her faith, is not determined and does not change statistically when a majority of an episcopal conference votes in favor of it, not even if unanimously.”

Eijk accuses Francis of “failing to create clarity”. He concludes, “Great confusion is created among the faithful and the unity of the Church is endangered”.

The Cardinal points out that [Francis'] individual case trick will end up with all Protestants [or Moslems] receiving Communion,

“The general experience with this type of adjustment is that the criteria are quickly extended.”

It has been a tacit consent in Germany for decades not only to allow Protestants to receive Communion but even to invite them to do so.

[MUDDOG]

What a great name! It’s like a tensor analysis summation.

[Mr. K]

Jesus said “Do this in memory of me”.

He did NOT add “Unless you’re one of those other guys”

[I want the USA back]

The current occupant of the Chair of Peter seems to be in over his head. All this stuff about Tradition, Dogma, Canon Law, Magisterium seem to be too much for him.

He absolutely doesn’t have the energy of John Paul II. He seems tired, uninterested in anything that isn’t directly related to giving money to the “poor.”

[irishjuggler]

To whom did he say that? His apostles (a small, dedicated group of disciples). Not to every random person he ran into in Jerusalem.

You can agree or disagree with the practice of the Catholic Church to limit reception to members only but that's the practice whether you or Pope Francis or Germany's liberal bishops like it or not.

[ebb tide]

He also said, “This is My Body”

and

“This is My Blood.”

[miss marmelstein]

Gabby Hayes made more sense than Francis.

[KC Burke]

There was a theologian I read and respected. He was an expert on pastoral theology and first millennial church history.

He was having and crisis of faith many years ago and turned to a man he greatly respected, a Rabbi, and asked, perhaps I should be an adherent to the Jewish faith. His friend told him, perhaps you should try actually practicing your faith in its true depth before you start thinking of changing — see if that works.

His point was that (small “o” orthodoxy) is actually what is needed. Look at the tenants of your faith, your church, and practice those. Forget what others might be working on and “come and see” the Christ that has spoken to you over your lifetime.

If my faith wishes to invite all Christian believers to the rail, that is what I should try to adhere to in my orthodoxy. If my faith only wants members in full communion with my denomination, that is what I should be comfortable with in my worship. If my faith wants to only have members in full communion and of my particular church participate, that is something that an orthodox approach can accept as well.

Perhaps, in the practice of active Christian dedication I will be called to another denomination. If so, I am there to be worshipful and not to try and change them. I will be orthodox in my adherence.

[laplata]

Gabby Hayes made more sense than Francis.

>><<

Gabby Hayes was a good guy.

[Mrs. Don-o]

But there's at least three problems here:

• Communion in the Sacrament signifies unity of belief. The Sacrament is the real Body and Blood of Christ, as Christ said ("My Flesh is true food and my Blood is real drink" - John 6)---and the Church teaches exactly that. If someone does not believe in this true Eucharistic Realism, then that person, if he receives, is proclaiming a unity of belief which he actually do not have.

  He is saying "Amen" and thinking "Not really."

• Moreover, this "unity of belief" involves more than belief in Body-and-Blood Eucharistic realism. It also involves ecclesial communion with everyone else who receives the Sacrament, since the Church is the Body of Christ. If a person wishes to be part of this ecclesial communion, one should first join the Catholic Church (the ecclesial communion), and then receive the Eucharistic communion which signifies it.

• Holy Communion is the one and only Sacrament that has a curse attached:

  1 Cor. 11:27
  Therefore whoever eats the bread or drinks the cup of the Lord unworthily will have to answer for the Body and Blood of the Lord.

  'Answer for the Body and Blood of the Lord'? That means you incur blood guilt.

  And why?

  1 Corinthians 11:29
  For anyone who eats and drinks without discerning the Body, eats and drinks judgment on himself.

In short: if you are in union, come to Communion.

If not, not.

Otherwise, there is an objective contradiction between receiving and not believing. Without union with Christ, a profession of Eucharistic belief, and union with the Church, receiving this Sacred Banquet would be a sacrilege, signifying divergence, not communion.

[bgill]

Yes, yes he is.

[MUDDOG]

As was sidekick California.

[laplata]

You’re right. Good programs, good times.

[Slyfox]

It really means that satanists will have easier access to the Eucharist.

Which is probably what this is really all about.

[Mr. K]

Oh I see, ... that must have been in the fine print of the bible somewhere.

Jesus said “Do this in memory of me*”

[*unless you are not in ‘unity of belief’ and a whole bunch of nonsensical gobbledygook about ‘true Eucharistic realism’.]

[Campion]

She gave you the Scriptures to back up her POV.

I've noticed this pattern. A Catholic can quote chapter and verse, and the anti-Catholic comes back with "that's not what the Bible says". The Bible isn't what the Bible says? Or do you just not want to hear Scriptures that refute your pre-determined idea of how things ought to work?

[Mrs. Don-o]

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[Mrs. Don-o]

Well, I don't get too irritated anymore, but it's just disappointing when you look for a thoughtful discussion and all you get is expressions of contempt.

I suppose that's all he's got in his storehouse. And if so, that's sad.

[ealgeone]

A Catholic can quote chapter and verse, and the anti-Catholic comes back with "that's not what the Bible says".

Because more times than not, the Roman Catholic is quoting the verse without regard to the context of the passage....the mistaken belief in the Eucharist a prime example.

[ealgeone]

Context, Mrs. D.....context is your key to properly understanding this topic.