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| 03-14-18
| Msgr. Charles Pope
Posted on 04/21/2018 9:30:28 AM PDT by Salvation
Salvation and Church The teaching of no salvation outside the Church is important and one that must rightly be understood
Msgr. Charles Pope
3/14/2018
Question: I hear the Catholic Church teaches there is no salvation outside the Church. This would seem to condemn most to hell. Or am I missing something? — Name, location withheld
Answer: It is in fact a doctrine of the Church often repeated by the Fathers of the Church and taught formally. However, it must be understood properly.
The Catechism of the Catholic Church has this to say by way of explanation:
“‘Outside the Church there is no Salvation.’ ... Re-formulated positively, it means that all salvation comes from Christ the Head through the Church which is his Body: Basing itself on Scripture and Tradition, the Council teaches that the Church ... is necessary for salvation: the one Christ is the mediator and the way of salvation; he is present to us in his body which is the Church. He himself explicitly asserted the necessity of faith and Baptism, and thereby affirmed at the same time the necessity of the Church which men enter through Baptism as through a door. Hence, they could not be saved who, knowing that the Catholic Church was founded as necessary by God through Christ, would refuse either to enter it or to remain in it. This affirmation is not aimed at those who, through no fault of their own, do not know Christ and his Church” (CCC, Nos. 846-847).
This much is sure: Whoever is in heaven was saved by Jesus Christ in and through his Body the Church. But, as we know, there are many barriers to people fully understanding that the Church is the sole and necessary means for salvation, and thus, simply being outside the Church usually does not alone bring condemnation.
God can and, it would seem, does draw others unto himself in ways not always known to us. All of this can console us and bring an understanding that the teaching “outside the Church there is no salvation” is not understood absolutely.
But this consolation must not be the source of letting our missionary zeal wane. While it is possible to be saved beyond the Church, sacraments and explicit faith in Christ, it is much more difficult. Consider the following teaching from the Second Vatican Council:
“Those also can attain to salvation who through no fault of their own do not know the Gospel of Christ or His Church, yet sincerely seek God and moved by grace strive by their deeds to do His will as it is known to them through the dictates of conscience. Nor does Divine Providence deny the helps necessary for salvation to those who, without blame on their part, have not yet arrived at an explicit knowledge of God and with His grace strive to live a good life. ... But often men, deceived by the Evil One, have become vain in their reasonings and have exchanged the truth of God for a lie, serving the creature rather than the Creator (cf. Rom 1:21, 25). Or some there are who, living and dying in this world without God, are exposed to final despair. Wherefore to promote the glory of God and procure the salvation of all of these, and mindful of the command of the Lord, ‘Preach the Gospel to every creature’ (Mk 16:16), the Church fosters the missions with care and attention” (Lumen Gentium, No. 16).
And therefore, we see that people often are deceived or let themselves be deceived. So, the fact that people can be saved apart from the Church is not a blank check or presumption that they likely will be saved. It must always be our earnest work to evangelize, for many “prefer the darkness” (see Jn 3:19).
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To: aMorePerfectUnion
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Your dear embrace of the inherited lies is what is noteworthy.
Nowhere did Yeshua speak against his Father’s commandments!
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461
posted on
04/24/2018 10:37:07 AM PDT
by
editor-surveyor
(Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
To: editor-surveyor; aMorePerfectUnion
Of the three of us, you’re the only one ignoring Scripture.
Scripture clearly states that grace through faith, ie, belief in Jesus, is what saves. All works of obedience are nothing more than proof of faith, which Scripture also teaches.
Your fake rabbi is the servant of the devil for teaching a false and different message.
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posted on
04/24/2018 10:40:51 AM PDT
by
Luircin
To: editor-surveyor
Your dear embrace of the inherited lies is what is noteworthy. Thank you. May you also see these Rood lies for what they are.
To: Luircin
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>> “Then explain to me why Scripture and Jesus say that salvation is by grace through faith and not works.” <<
Your statement above is not in scripture! You have modified the scripture!
The scripture says that by the grace of God we are saved through our faith.
“Faith,” everywhere in scripture, is the willing embrace and obedience to the covenant. Nowhere is it anything else.
The only “works” that are condemned are the works of the Pharisees’ burdensome Takanot and Ma’assim, the demolition of which was demonstrated by every one of Yeshua’s miracles.
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464
posted on
04/24/2018 10:46:22 AM PDT
by
editor-surveyor
(Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
To: Luircin
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Don’t be a fool, please!
John’s first epistle was written to tell us that “believing in Jesus” was living as he lived, exactly.
That means living “in covenant.”
Read the epistle!
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465
posted on
04/24/2018 10:49:44 AM PDT
by
editor-surveyor
(Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
To: editor-surveyor
Johns first epistle was written to tell us that believing in Jesus was living as he lived, exactly.
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Uh-huh, and the Apostle Paul very specifically said that the old covenant was fulfilled in Jesus and people requiring the laws of the old covenant were enemies of Jesus.
(Psst, that includes #FakeRabbi Rood.)
They—that is, people demanding fealty to Jewish laws like #FakeRabbi Rood—should chop their own balls off, is what I think Paul said.
And I didn’t even have to twist and contort words that the Apostle said in order to make that point.
466
posted on
04/24/2018 10:55:02 AM PDT
by
Luircin
To: editor-surveyor
Your statement above is not in scripture! You have modified the scripture!
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O rly?
“But[c] God, being rich in mercy, because of the great love with which he loved us, 5 even when we were dead in our trespasses, made us alive together with Christby grace you have been saved 6 and raised us up with him and seated us with him in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus, 7 so that in the coming ages he might show the immeasurable riches of his grace in kindness toward us in Christ Jesus. 8 For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, 9 not a result of works, so that no one may boast.”
Also.
” We ourselves are Jews by birth and not Gentile sinners; 16 yet we know that a person is not justified[b] by works of the law but through faith in Jesus Christ, so we also have believed in Christ Jesus, in order to be justified by faith in Christ and not by works of the law, because by works of the law no one will be justified.
17 But if, in our endeavor to be justified in Christ, we too were found to be sinners, is Christ then a servant of sin? Certainly not! 18 For if I rebuild what I tore down, I prove myself to be a transgressor. 19 For through the law I died to the law, so that I might live to God. 20 I have been crucified with Christ. It is no longer I who live, but Christ who lives in me. And the life I now live in the flesh I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave himself for me. 21 I do not nullify the grace of God, for if righteousness[c] were through the law, then Christ died for no purpose.”
Seems to me that it’s #FakeRabbi Rood that’s changing Scripture by demanding obedience for salvation.
Try again.
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posted on
04/24/2018 10:58:15 AM PDT
by
Luircin
To: aMorePerfectUnion
All Christians believe in the Triune Godthe one who decides. Christ is. He will come again in glory to judge the living and the dead.
Excellent! Even more headway.
How about One Baptism. (using water and the words "I baptize you in the name of the Father, The Son and the Holy Spirit)
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468
posted on
04/24/2018 11:05:55 AM PDT
by
infool7
(Observe, Orient, Pray, Decide, Act!(it's an OOPDA loop))
To: infool7
Silly guy.
I’m not here to play comparative religions.
Either you are going to heaven or hell.
Which do you want?
To: Luircin
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You are using a grotesque paraphrase version of the Bible!
Nobody is saved yet, but the first fruits!
Salvation is as Paul clearly stated “at the Last Trump.”
He also tells us to “work out your own salvation with fear and trembling.”
You are clearly not reading from “Scripture,” but a Hort/Westcott comic book that will send millions of deceived “easybelievers” into perdition.
Do not take lightly the plentiful cautions that Paul and Peter give us in their epistles! Do not return “like a dog to its own vomit.”
The KJV with the italicised words crossed out is the most complete and accurate condensation of the 5000 MS of the Received Texts.
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470
posted on
04/24/2018 11:15:12 AM PDT
by
editor-surveyor
(Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
To: infool7
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>> “in the name of the Father, The Son and the Holy Spirit” <<
The above is a corruption of Acts 2, which states only in Yeshua’s name.
The words were added in the 4th century under the orders of Eusebius to several MS, and the modifications are easily visible.
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471
posted on
04/24/2018 11:22:22 AM PDT
by
editor-surveyor
(Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: infool7
Couldn't follow the hint? well I'll post it for you"
John 6:28 They said therefore unto him: What shall we do, that we may work the works of God? 29 Jesus answered, and said to them: This is the work of God, that you believe in him whom he hath sent. [Douay-Rheims Bible] [Notice how they asked in the plural and JESUS answered in the singular?]
So, what is the ONE basic tenet you and I must follow? And do you see in that proclamation anything other than believe in Whom GOD has sent for your salvation? Any sacraments there, and Mariology there, any purgatory there? Did Jesus have more than ONE tenet for salvation from the wrath to come? Well, not in that passage where the seekers after signs and tasks were answered directly from God with us.
And do you know why there is only ONE tenet? The Bible tells you, we are his workmanship. ... This is really hard for a Catholic to actually see, spiritually: because once you follow the ONE tenet God requires, HE is then the parent Who will raise you up in the way that you should go. You cannot rely on your fealty to sacraments or loyalty to an org, you must learn, learn to listen to His leading. And the way He has given for us to do that is through His Word, for The Word was made flesh and dwelt among us, then returned to Heaven and sent His Holy Spirit to be in us, the hope of glory.
473
posted on
04/24/2018 11:25:24 AM PDT
by
MHGinTN
(A dispensational perspective is a powerful tool for discernment)
To: aMorePerfectUnion
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>> “Either you are going to heaven....” <<
Will you be hanging Yeshua back up on the cross to get there?
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474
posted on
04/24/2018 11:25:45 AM PDT
by
editor-surveyor
(Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
To: MHGinTN; infool7
“Believing in the one he sent” is as John clearly stated in his first epistle ‘living as he lived.’
By your own admission on so many posts, you do not live as he lived, because you declare the way he lived to have been done away with.
How are you going to get there?
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475
posted on
04/24/2018 11:31:33 AM PDT
by
editor-surveyor
(Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
To: MHGinTN
all that but not follow God's commandments?
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476
posted on
04/24/2018 11:34:27 AM PDT
by
infool7
(Observe, Orient, Pray, Decide, Act!(it's an OOPDA loop))
To: editor-surveyor
Keeping working, son, Hell ain’t half full. Rood has the roadmap, he is leading you to his doom.
477
posted on
04/24/2018 11:34:41 AM PDT
by
MHGinTN
(A dispensational perspective is a powerful tool for discernment)
To: infool7
Do you know why Jesus never sinned? ... His seed remained within Him. THAT IS THE SPIRIT SEED of GOD's Life in the human spirit. What GOD puts in the spirit of those who take the ONE tenet into their heart and are born from above is the spirit seed of GOD LIFE, bringing life to the dead human spirit. By faith I follow all the commandments; within my flesh I fail to meet all those commandments, but with His LIFE in my human spirit, I am HIS handiwork.
Because HIS Life is in my human spirit, my human behavior mechanism has agape love for your soul. Thus I continue to offer to you The Gospel of Grace in Christ; not the gospel of loyalty, of sacramental fealty, not faithfulness toward Mary ... The Gospel of Grace in Christ, for He alone can put HIS LIFE in your dead human spirit.
478
posted on
04/24/2018 11:40:26 AM PDT
by
MHGinTN
(A dispensational perspective is a powerful tool for discernment)
To: editor-surveyor
e-s, comment noted and handled appropriately.
To: MHGinTN
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Unlike you, the massive evidence shows how the Holy Spirit has led Michael to reveal the deep things of the word.
His Chronological Gospels teaching blows your “inherited lies” based foolishness away completely.
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480
posted on
04/24/2018 12:06:04 PM PDT
by
editor-surveyor
(Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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