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| 03-14-18
| Msgr. Charles Pope
Posted on 04/21/2018 9:30:28 AM PDT by Salvation
Salvation and Church The teaching of no salvation outside the Church is important and one that must rightly be understood
Msgr. Charles Pope
3/14/2018
Question: I hear the Catholic Church teaches there is no salvation outside the Church. This would seem to condemn most to hell. Or am I missing something? — Name, location withheld
Answer: It is in fact a doctrine of the Church often repeated by the Fathers of the Church and taught formally. However, it must be understood properly.
The Catechism of the Catholic Church has this to say by way of explanation:
“‘Outside the Church there is no Salvation.’ ... Re-formulated positively, it means that all salvation comes from Christ the Head through the Church which is his Body: Basing itself on Scripture and Tradition, the Council teaches that the Church ... is necessary for salvation: the one Christ is the mediator and the way of salvation; he is present to us in his body which is the Church. He himself explicitly asserted the necessity of faith and Baptism, and thereby affirmed at the same time the necessity of the Church which men enter through Baptism as through a door. Hence, they could not be saved who, knowing that the Catholic Church was founded as necessary by God through Christ, would refuse either to enter it or to remain in it. This affirmation is not aimed at those who, through no fault of their own, do not know Christ and his Church” (CCC, Nos. 846-847).
This much is sure: Whoever is in heaven was saved by Jesus Christ in and through his Body the Church. But, as we know, there are many barriers to people fully understanding that the Church is the sole and necessary means for salvation, and thus, simply being outside the Church usually does not alone bring condemnation.
God can and, it would seem, does draw others unto himself in ways not always known to us. All of this can console us and bring an understanding that the teaching “outside the Church there is no salvation” is not understood absolutely.
But this consolation must not be the source of letting our missionary zeal wane. While it is possible to be saved beyond the Church, sacraments and explicit faith in Christ, it is much more difficult. Consider the following teaching from the Second Vatican Council:
“Those also can attain to salvation who through no fault of their own do not know the Gospel of Christ or His Church, yet sincerely seek God and moved by grace strive by their deeds to do His will as it is known to them through the dictates of conscience. Nor does Divine Providence deny the helps necessary for salvation to those who, without blame on their part, have not yet arrived at an explicit knowledge of God and with His grace strive to live a good life. ... But often men, deceived by the Evil One, have become vain in their reasonings and have exchanged the truth of God for a lie, serving the creature rather than the Creator (cf. Rom 1:21, 25). Or some there are who, living and dying in this world without God, are exposed to final despair. Wherefore to promote the glory of God and procure the salvation of all of these, and mindful of the command of the Lord, ‘Preach the Gospel to every creature’ (Mk 16:16), the Church fosters the missions with care and attention” (Lumen Gentium, No. 16).
And therefore, we see that people often are deceived or let themselves be deceived. So, the fact that people can be saved apart from the Church is not a blank check or presumption that they likely will be saved. It must always be our earnest work to evangelize, for many “prefer the darkness” (see Jn 3:19).
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To: infool7
that I (speaking as a 55 year old cradle Catholic) You can see only that which you've seen since birth.
And of course, you turned down the challenge to approach God's Word to see what it says, with the willingness to follow it unreservedly - even when you learn it contradicts what you were raised to believe.
To: aMorePerfectUnion
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To the lost like you, all of those anointed by Yehova are “false teachers.”
Reality speaks for itself. the spiritual revelations of our age go only to those that you would call “false teachers.”
Yehova is working away from your coven.
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posted on
04/23/2018 7:41:54 PM PDT
by
editor-surveyor
(Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
To: aMorePerfectUnion
Ha, you think me still a child and that my parents programmed me like a robot.
Why... bless your heart, as they say.
well then if like a child I must become to enter into the gates of heaven as our Lord and Savior Christ Jesus says, then perhaps I already am.
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423
posted on
04/23/2018 7:55:20 PM PDT
by
infool7
(Observe, Orient, Pray, Decide, Act!(it's an OOPDA loop))
To: editor-surveyor
Es, got nothing for you.
I disagree with almost all you have learned from Rood.
Since you are not currently seeking truth, youre on your own.
Hes.
To: infool7
Not what I said.
My point was youve accepted what you were fed and do not seek truth.
Your call bro.
To: editor-surveyor
Ephesians Chapter 2. Romans chapter 3. John chapter 3.
Try actually reading the Bible instead of Rooding the Bible.
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posted on
04/23/2018 8:00:58 PM PDT
by
Luircin
To: aMorePerfectUnion
No, I get it loud and clear.
My eyes are open 360° to the Truth.
How about you pull off your blinders and take a look around.
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posted on
04/23/2018 8:06:30 PM PDT
by
infool7
(Observe, Orient, Pray, Decide, Act!(it's an OOPDA loop))
To: infool7
My eyes are open 360° to the Truth.
1. You have already written that you would not seek truth knowing the consequences might separate you from Rome.
2. It is clear you did not know Rome requires works for you to get to heaven.
3. Youve admitted that you only listen to the word as expanded by church fathers and scholars of Rome.
4. You have written that you were a cradle Catholic and have never known anything else.
Your refusal to seek truth, regardless on consequences, indicates you are not open to truth.
Your decision. I guess the fear of learning your experience was based on a falsehood can be scary. It is better to know now and go to heaven, than to feel secure in a lie.
Best.
To: editor-surveyor
Satan has so beguiled you that you do not comprehend from the passage you draw! What did Paul say about those falling back on dates and feast days and the works under law living? He said he feared for them!
Galatians 2:14 When I saw that they were not acting in line with the truth of the gospel, I said to Cephas in front of them all, You are a Jew, yet you live like a Gentile and not like a Jew. How is it, then, that you force Gentiles to follow Jewish customs? 15 We who are Jews by birth and not sinful Gentiles 16 know that a person is not justified by the works of the law, but by faith in Jesus Christ. So we, too, have put our faith in Christ Jesus that we may be justified by faith in Christ and not by the works of the law, because by the works of the law no one will be justified.
17 But if, in seeking to be justified in Christ, we Jews find ourselves also among the sinners, doesnt that mean that Christ promotes sin? Absolutely not! 18 If I rebuild what I destroyed, then I really would be a lawbreaker.
19For through the law I died to the law so that I might live for God. 20 I have been crucified with Christ and I no longer live, but Christ lives in me. The life I now live in the body, I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave himself for me. 21 I do not set aside the grace of God, for if righteousness could be gained through the law, Christ died for nothing!
Galatians 3:23 Before the coming of this faith, we were held in custody under the law, locked up until the faith that was to come would be revealed. 24 So the law was our guardian until Christ came that we might be justified by faith. 25 Now that this faith has come, we are no longer under a guardian.
Galatians 4:10 You are observing special days and months and seasons and years! 11 I fear for you, that somehow I have wasted my efforts on you.
As for your fidelity to the false teacher, Michael Rood: Gal 4:17 Those people are zealous to win you over, but for no good. What they want is to alienate you from us, so that you may have zeal for them.
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posted on
04/23/2018 8:52:45 PM PDT
by
MHGinTN
(A dispensational perspective is a powerful tool for discernment)
To: boatbums
The point, at least for me is that we be as one, as our Dear Lord and Savior prayed we would be as He and the Father are one, unified against our one true enemy, the Devil, FIRST and bickering siblings SECOND if at all.
To your beautiful and comforting passage from John. Does our gentle Lord force us to open the door upon which He knocks? And if we are free to open that door or leave it closed, are we not ourselves also free to shut it closed on Him again.
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posted on
04/23/2018 9:05:12 PM PDT
by
infool7
(Observe, Orient, Pray, Decide, Act!(it's an OOPDA loop))
To: aMorePerfectUnion
Apparently, I stand a condemned man in the court of a ampu and his
six five jurors.
The sentence... HELL.
As a friend once told me "good thing you're not in charge"
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posted on
04/23/2018 9:16:55 PM PDT
by
infool7
(Observe, Orient, Pray, Decide, Act!(it's an OOPDA loop))
To: infool7
Such a double mind! In the post before you feign comity, then smarm up the thread with the same arrogant insult you started your series of posts with. How very telling!
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posted on
04/23/2018 9:28:54 PM PDT
by
MHGinTN
(A dispensational perspective is a powerful tool for discernment)
To: boatbums; metmom; knarf; aMorePerfectUnion
When an RC apologist tosses out the 30k or 40k or 50k denominations ploy to boost their argument, I know I can stop reading anything else they have to say because it will be a waste of time! Amen BB. All I can say, and I know there are others too, is that I, and I am sure the rest of you addressees as well, are probably thrilled to death, to have been freed from the bondage of the false doctrines of the Catholic Church, and not one of us will EVER swim the Tiber, not now, not ever. 😁🤣👍😇
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posted on
04/23/2018 10:37:08 PM PDT
by
Mark17
(Genesis chapter 1 verse 1. In the beginning GOD....And the rest, as they say, is HIS-story)
To: MHGinTN
Telling indeed, Christ Jesus both healed the sick and drove out demons and money changers. Do you condemn our Lord for being of double mind as well.
If the rough and tumble nature of the religion forum is too much for you, perhaps you should stick to caucus threads where you are less likely to be offended.
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posted on
04/24/2018 5:10:07 AM PDT
by
infool7
(Observe, Orient, Pray, Decide, Act!(it's an OOPDA loop))
To: infool7
Apparently, I stand a condemned man in the court of a ampu and his six five jurors.
Yes, if you dont entrust yourself to Him alone, you will join the many in hell for eternity.
But Ive not encouraged you to listen to me or any man.
Ive encouraged you to seek the truth of God in the Word of God.
You refused.
Instead, you could know with certainty *today* that you have salvation and will spend eternity in the presence of God.
You refused.
I will never understand the choice not to know what God declares and be saved from the wrath to come.
When you want to begin the second leg of your spiritual journey, I am always as close as a private mail or a phone call. I would gladly help you as much be helped others.
I wish you every eternal blessing.
To: aMorePerfectUnion
I refuse?
You refuse to acknowledge even the slightest hint of common ground with Christians.
God the Father Creator... ampu?
One Lord Christ Jesus... ampu?
that came down from heaven... ampu?
by The Holy Spirit incarnate and became man... ampu?
Christ Jesus suffered and died... ampu?
rose again on the third day... ampu?
One Baptism... ampu?
The Holy Trinity?
Anything ANYTHING...
Nope...
Just dead air, crickets, static from ampu.
You may not have noticed but your tiny minority has actually gotten smaller.
Your own particular personal interpretation is shared by only those that desire to make up their own commandments and receive no censure.
You claim to seek the Truth while you wander farther and father from it.
You only mislead the poor souls that you beckon to ratify your made up religion of ampu
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posted on
04/24/2018 8:02:02 AM PDT
by
infool7
(Observe, Orient, Pray, Decide, Act!(it's an OOPDA loop))
To: infool7
I will let someone else explain double-minded to you. Your red herring is odoriferous at best.
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posted on
04/24/2018 8:25:00 AM PDT
by
MHGinTN
(A dispensational perspective is a powerful tool for discernment)
To: infool7
I refuse?
Yes, you did upthread.
You refuse to acknowledge even the slightest hint of common ground with Christians.
Catholicism has some things in common with Christians. It will not teach you how to have salvation. I've tried to encourage you to seek truth in order to be saved from the wrath to come, regardless of whether you remain Roman or not.
You may not have noticed but your tiny minority has actually gotten smaller.
God could care less about how many people here participate in a thread. I suspect it is evident to all that this is very rocky ground and not fertile.
Do you feel reassured by numbers instead of truth???
If I am the only one telling you the truth of the Word, I will speak His truth.
Your own particular personal interpretation is shared by only those that desire to make up their own commandments and receive no censure.
What I've written to you is shared by hundreds of millions who were courageous enough to read His Word and entrust themselves to Him. You refused to read His Word without preconditions. You should consider having a time of reflection to ask what scares you about going to God's Word and seeking truth without "doctors, scholars, etc." whispering in your ear to tell you what to believe.
What do you have to gain? Heaven.
What do you have to lose? Damnation.
Nice trade.
You only mislead the poor souls that you beckon to ratify your made up religion of ampu
I am not the Author of Scripture. That is the Holy Spirit. He does not mislead through His Word. I get nothing out of sharing truth with you, except to fulfill the commands of God.
If you read Scripture, it is Rome that has made up many things, including falsifying the basis of savation, as I already documented upthread. You were not even aware that Rome's official position is to require works in addition to faith. "Let him who has ears, hear."
To: aMorePerfectUnion
Catholicism has some things in common with Christians. Great! We're making some headway.
Care to elaborate on what those "things" you mentioned are?
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posted on
04/24/2018 8:31:28 AM PDT
by
infool7
(Observe, Orient, Pray, Decide, Act!(it's an OOPDA loop))
To: infool7
Care to elaborate on what those "things" you mentioned are? No, it is pointless.
If you don't get to salvation, it is all proforma gibberish.
And you refused to even consider what will get you into heaven.
Your call.
Perhaps in the future you will be open and as I mentioned earlier, you can pm me.
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