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| 03-14-18
| Msgr. Charles Pope
Posted on 04/21/2018 9:30:28 AM PDT by Salvation
Salvation and Church The teaching of no salvation outside the Church is important and one that must rightly be understood
Msgr. Charles Pope
3/14/2018
Question: I hear the Catholic Church teaches there is no salvation outside the Church. This would seem to condemn most to hell. Or am I missing something? — Name, location withheld
Answer: It is in fact a doctrine of the Church often repeated by the Fathers of the Church and taught formally. However, it must be understood properly.
The Catechism of the Catholic Church has this to say by way of explanation:
“‘Outside the Church there is no Salvation.’ ... Re-formulated positively, it means that all salvation comes from Christ the Head through the Church which is his Body: Basing itself on Scripture and Tradition, the Council teaches that the Church ... is necessary for salvation: the one Christ is the mediator and the way of salvation; he is present to us in his body which is the Church. He himself explicitly asserted the necessity of faith and Baptism, and thereby affirmed at the same time the necessity of the Church which men enter through Baptism as through a door. Hence, they could not be saved who, knowing that the Catholic Church was founded as necessary by God through Christ, would refuse either to enter it or to remain in it. This affirmation is not aimed at those who, through no fault of their own, do not know Christ and his Church” (CCC, Nos. 846-847).
This much is sure: Whoever is in heaven was saved by Jesus Christ in and through his Body the Church. But, as we know, there are many barriers to people fully understanding that the Church is the sole and necessary means for salvation, and thus, simply being outside the Church usually does not alone bring condemnation.
God can and, it would seem, does draw others unto himself in ways not always known to us. All of this can console us and bring an understanding that the teaching “outside the Church there is no salvation” is not understood absolutely.
But this consolation must not be the source of letting our missionary zeal wane. While it is possible to be saved beyond the Church, sacraments and explicit faith in Christ, it is much more difficult. Consider the following teaching from the Second Vatican Council:
“Those also can attain to salvation who through no fault of their own do not know the Gospel of Christ or His Church, yet sincerely seek God and moved by grace strive by their deeds to do His will as it is known to them through the dictates of conscience. Nor does Divine Providence deny the helps necessary for salvation to those who, without blame on their part, have not yet arrived at an explicit knowledge of God and with His grace strive to live a good life. ... But often men, deceived by the Evil One, have become vain in their reasonings and have exchanged the truth of God for a lie, serving the creature rather than the Creator (cf. Rom 1:21, 25). Or some there are who, living and dying in this world without God, are exposed to final despair. Wherefore to promote the glory of God and procure the salvation of all of these, and mindful of the command of the Lord, ‘Preach the Gospel to every creature’ (Mk 16:16), the Church fosters the missions with care and attention” (Lumen Gentium, No. 16).
And therefore, we see that people often are deceived or let themselves be deceived. So, the fact that people can be saved apart from the Church is not a blank check or presumption that they likely will be saved. It must always be our earnest work to evangelize, for many “prefer the darkness” (see Jn 3:19).
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To: MHGinTN
I assure you the feeling is mutual.
401
posted on
04/23/2018 4:59:01 PM PDT
by
infool7
(Observe, Orient, Pray, Decide, Act!(it's an OOPDA loop))
To: editor-surveyor
Your clinging to the “inherited lies wherein t... Thanks for sharing cultic ideas, but I don't believe they are credible, let alone biblical. I have no interest in them.
To: aMorePerfectUnion
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Your often stated position that the word of Yehova is cultic is very telling of your spiritual condition.
Very especially dangerous in these times when the day of Trumpets is so near.
403
posted on
04/23/2018 5:04:50 PM PDT
by
editor-surveyor
(Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
To: infool7
What were the TWO commandments Jesus spole that His born again should been seen to keep?
404
posted on
04/23/2018 5:05:19 PM PDT
by
MHGinTN
(A dispensational perspective is a powerful tool for discernment)
To: editor-surveyor
Again, you believe the Rood stuff.
I believe it is false and cultic.
As long as you close by to it, theres nothing I can do to help set you free.
So I wish you well.
To: infool7
It’s not what you posted.
To: MHGinTN; infool7
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>> “What were the TWO commandments Jesus spole that His born again should been seen to keep?” <<
You’re confused! He said all of the commandments are encapsulated in obedience to the love commandments.
IOW, if you break one of the commandments, you do not have the love he requires of us.
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posted on
04/23/2018 5:11:33 PM PDT
by
editor-surveyor
(Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
To: aMorePerfectUnion
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I believe the scripture stuff!
(the stuff you dismiss as “cultic.” )
Your openly professed dismissal of the plain words of scripture is vexatious. (and pleasing to the adversary)
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408
posted on
04/23/2018 5:15:33 PM PDT
by
editor-surveyor
(Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
To: editor-surveyor
Sorry, a sycophant of Michael Rood is not a credible teacher. You fail
409
posted on
04/23/2018 5:17:45 PM PDT
by
MHGinTN
(A dispensational perspective is a powerful tool for discernment)
To: ealgeone
You can say it, it's about idols isn't it?
Is that the only contention you have with the big ten?
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410
posted on
04/23/2018 5:27:26 PM PDT
by
infool7
(Observe, Orient, Pray, Decide, Act!(it's an OOPDA loop))
To: MHGinTN
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Sorry, a sycophant of the adversary cannot be a judge of what is credible.
One that dismisses the commandments is not a member of the Body:
Collossians 2:
[16] Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
[17] Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body of Christ.
Let us know when you join the body, and quit your iniquity!
411
posted on
04/23/2018 5:27:55 PM PDT
by
editor-surveyor
(Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
To: infool7
I have no problem with the "big ten" as you've dubbed them...however those are not the commandments in question.
And yes, the commandment against idolatry is often omitted by Roman Catholics....if they taught that to their new members someone might ask how do you justify the idols of Mary before which Roman Catholics kneel and pray to.
To: infool7
BTW...I asked a few posts back if you are a priest.
What say you? Yes or no?
To: ealgeone
That is EXACTLY what the Holy Spirit opened to my heart when I read it! I knew right then that I was hearing the true gospel and that I had NOT heard it in my former religion. How could I even think of going back to it?
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posted on
04/23/2018 5:50:21 PM PDT
by
boatbums
(The Law is a storm which wrecks your hopes of self-salvation, but washes you upon the Rock of Ages.)
To: editor-surveyor
Sorry. Not my intention to vex you.
Dont think there is anything I can help you with.
If you reach that point, you know how to find me.
To: evangmlw
No man comes to the Father except through me. ~ Jesus Christ There is but one mediator between God and man, the man Christ Jesus. ~ Apostle Paul Ill believe the word of God, which I know very well. Ive also had a personal relationship with Jesus Christ for 52 years. Whats more, people were saved by faith even before the founding of the church. People are still saved by faith, faith in Christ, not faith in an organization. Indeed! Thanks be to God so for great salvation.
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posted on
04/23/2018 6:51:55 PM PDT
by
daniel1212
(Trust the risen Lord Jesus to save you as a damned and destitute sinner + be baptized + follow Him)
To: aMorePerfectUnion
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It is you that deeply need help.
You appear to have voluntarily severed contact with the word of Yehova.
An eternally fatal error. As paul stated in Hebrews 6, there is no way back. You hang Yeshua back on the cross.
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417
posted on
04/23/2018 7:15:17 PM PDT
by
editor-surveyor
(Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
To: ealgeone
It truly gladdens my heart to learn that we share even more core beliefs in common.
I can tell you, what I am sure you have heard many times before, that I (speaking as a 55 year old cradle Catholic) do not, and no one has ever encouraged me to worship idols and that statues are merely physical representations of Saints and Martyrs that remind us (as we kneel and pray) of their commitment and sacrifices made spreading the Gospel throughout the ages, encouraging those of this age to emulate their example. Religious metals and scapulars are only an outward sign of an internal disposition. They have no magical power other than to be a constant reminder of our own personal commitment to living and spreading the good news, as the apostles did. Any promises or guarantees associated with such are the result of a full life guided by the Holy Spirit, well lived, all for Jesus.
Even if you can’t accept that answer I feel that we still hold the most important Christian beliefs in common and consider you my brother in Christ Jesus.
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418
posted on
04/23/2018 7:18:42 PM PDT
by
infool7
(Observe, Orient, Pray, Decide, Act!(it's an OOPDA loop))
To: ealgeone
419
posted on
04/23/2018 7:24:37 PM PDT
by
infool7
(Observe, Orient, Pray, Decide, Act!(it's an OOPDA loop))
To: editor-surveyor
It is you that deeply need help. You appear to have voluntarily severed contact with the word of Yehova.
Thank you, but you must know I don't believe anything you write about God's Word,
because you follow a false teacher.
Best.
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