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Posted on 04/21/2018 9:30:28 AM PDT by Salvation
IF you are such a good Catholic, can you keep the Ten Commandments? IF not, how will time in an imaginary purgatory pay for your violations? Is Christ not the ALL SUFFICIENT sacrifice? Did your jesus pay for only some of your sin debt?
If you truly want answers to your questions you will need to find them on your own. You wouldn't believe me anyway.
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“I personally have never been taught that anyone is saved by works...”
False sacramental system = false works.
Grace + required works = works saved.
There is no treasury of merit distributed through the sacraments.
There is no saving grace earned through sacraments.
Do you deny the Roman sacramental System?
“The Church affirms that for believers the sacraments of the New Covenant are necessary for salvation”, although not all are necessary for every individual,[10]
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sacraments_of_the_Catholic_Church
10: http://www.vatican.va/archive/ENG0015/__P33.HTM
This is a system of works, never taught in the New Testament
Full sentence...
The Church affirms that for believers the sacraments of the New Covenant are necessary for salvation”, although not all are necessary for every individual,[10] and has placed under anathema those who deny it: “If any one saith, that the sacraments of the New Law are not necessary unto salvation, but superfluous; and that, without them, or without the desire thereof, men obtain of God, through faith alone, the grace of justification;-though all (the sacraments) are not indeed necessary for every individual; let him be anathema.”[11]
But, what is the point? We already know that Evangelicals and Roman Catholics agree on many of the major tenets of the Christian faith. I have a good idea that you are also familiar with those where we disagree. Should we not better spend our time discussing those or is that pointless to you?
I personally have never been taught that anyone is saved by works but you have to take my word for it and I have just been called a liar and "an insulting servant of deceit" so you'll have to take that with a grain of salt.
I guess I will have to also take it with a grain of salt that you have "never been taught that anyone is saved by works" since I used to be a Roman Catholic and I know that is not true - but I won't call you a liar (I won't "make it personal).
Answer me this if you will...why do you think when I read John 10:27-30 I knew immediately that I had NOT been told the true gospel growing up as a Roman Catholic? Here is the passage:
Jesus said if we love Him we will keep His commandments.
Question is....what are those.
This is starting to feel a bit like an inquisition. I never considered receiving sacraments as a work but instead a gift of Grace from the Holy Spirit.
full disclosure:
I am not now, nor have ever been: a professional apologist, RCIA instructor, member of the clergy or diaconate.
You've uh....tossed around a few words on this thread as well.
Perhaps you better step down from that soapbox.
If you've been taught Rome's official position on the sacraments, which are required for salvation, according to Rome, you were taught salvation by works.
Rome goes on to say if anyone denies this, let him be anathema.
Don't mean to make you feel this is an inquisition. If it were, you'd smell burning flesh (how Rome did it).
That verse in the Greek is so powerful. It rules out the chance of the believer losing their salvation.
Kinda hard for someone to see the forest if they can’t see the trees.
even more common ground.
Jesus said if we love Him we will keep His commandments.
Amen
AMEN!
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The Word of God teaches that there is no “Church!”
Salvation is yet to come, at the “Last Trump!”
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If you want to say they are the Ten Commandments, Rome doesn't do that based on the list you posted....especially the one in v4-6. We will deal with the idols of Mary later.
1Then God spoke all these words, saying,
2“I am the LORD your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of slavery.
3“You shall have no other gods before Me.
4“You shall not make for yourself an idol, or any likeness of what is in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the water under the earth. 5“You shall not worship them or serve them; for I, the LORD your God, am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers on the children, on the third and the fourth generations of those who hate Me, 6but showing lovingkindness to thousands, to those who love Me and keep My commandments.
7“You shall not take the name of the LORD your God in vain, for the LORD will not leave him unpunished who takes His name in vain.
8“Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy. 9“Six days you shall labor and do all your work, 10but the seventh day is a sabbath of the LORD your God; in it you shall not do any work, you or your son or your daughter, your male or your female servant or your cattle or your sojourner who stays with you. 11“For in six days the LORD made the heavens and the earth, the sea and all that is in them, and rested on the seventh day; therefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day and made it holy.
12“Honor your father and your mother, that your days may be prolonged in the land which the LORD your God gives you.
13“You shall not murder.
14“You shall not commit adultery.
15“You shall not steal.
16“You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor.
17“You shall not covet your neighbor’s house; you shall not covet your neighbor’s wife or his male servant or his female servant or his ox or his donkey or anything that belongs to your neighbor.”
Exodus 20:1-17 NASB
Matthew 7:
[21] Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
[22] Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
[23] And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work lawlessness.
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Your pre-belief skews your understanding of the Gospel and this passage.
I can’t help you with the pre-belief, since you know I believe it is false.
Best to you.
Ok what’s the problem with those?
Don’t be a fool, answer those for your soul, not for me. Your eternity actually hangs in the balance.
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It is yo0ur belief that is skewering the Gospel!
Your clinging to the “inherited lies wherein there is no profit” is steeply skewering your hope of understanding the Gospel.
As John wrote in his first epistle, Sin is the transgression of The Law.
“Christianity” as taught in today’s ‘churches’ is the broad path that leads to destruction.
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