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[Catholic Caucus] Scalfari and the Pope: A farce that has to end
La Nuova Bussola Italiana via Rorate Caeli ^ | March 30, 2018 | Riccardo Cascioli

Posted on 03/31/2018 5:44:15 PM PDT by ebb tide

Scalfari and the Pope: A farce that has to end

Riccardo Cascioli
La Nuova Bussola Italiana
March 30, 2018

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The Pope who denies the existence of Hell. A thing of such magnitude that was then spread by newspapers throughout the world for hours and hours before the Holy See issued a denial of  Eugenio Scalfari’s words. Yet some things don’t quite add up in the Press Office’s communiqué...


What must a poor Catholic think, when connecting to Internet on Holy Thursday morning he finds that the Pope has told an old journalist friend that hell doesn’t exist and that the souls who don’t repent simply disappear? A Pope who denies two truths of the Faith: Hell and the immortality of the soul.  It cannot be, it has never happened in the history of the Church. And right at the beginning of the PaschalTriduum, when we relive the Sacrifice of Our Lord, Who came to save us from sin. Diabolical timing. If Hell doesn’t exist neither does salvation.   It matters little that it is not a magisterial text and that it’s the ‘usual’ article by the founder of the Repubblica, Eugenio Scalfari, who transcribed the sense of a conversation with Pope Francis at Santa Marta. The statement is of unprecedented magnitude and devastating consequences.


It can’t be, it just can’t be that the Pope thinks this: and even less so that he says it so lightheartedly in a conversation with a journalist who everyone knows has the habit of transcribing his conversations with the Pope, and that the Holy See has twice contradicted him (even if always leaving many doubts). Yet from the Vatican: silence.  Silence despite the fact that from early morning several journalists had asked immediately for clarification to those in charge at the Press Office.

The hours pass by and the news spreads round the world: “The Pope denies the existence of Hell”. Equivalent to saying that the Church for Two Thousand years has been having us on, [indeed] has been making a fool of a lot of people.  The Catechism of the Catholic Church, no. 1035 says: “The teaching of the Church affirms the existence of hell and its eternity. Immediately after death the souls of those who die in a state of mortal sin descend into hell, where they suffer the punishments of hell, "eternal fire." The chief punishment of hell is eternal separation from God, in whom alone man can possess the life and happiness for which he was created and for which he longs.”

If this truth can be denied or be up for debate, why could the same not be done with all the other truths of the Faith? Why believe in the Most Holy Trinity, or God as Creator, or the Incarnation? The fallout from such a statement is devastating; it means denying the very function of the Church. It is just not possible that a Pope could say a thing of such magnitude. Yet the hours continue to pass by and still nothing from the Vatican, despite the asphyxiating pressure from the journalists.

Finally, just after 15.00 the Press Office deigned to give out a communiqué which issued a denial of Scalfari’s words:

“The Holy Father recently received the founder of the newspaper La Repubblica in a private meeting on the occasion of Easter, without, however, granting him an interview. What is reported by the author in today’s article is the fruit of his reconstruction, in which the precise words uttered by the Pope are not cited. No quotations in the aforementioned article, then, should be considered as a faithful transcription of the words of the Holy Father.”

A great sigh of relief.  Indeed,  the Pope could never have declared a thing of such magnitude with such blitheness. Yet… yet something doesn’t quite add up. Nine hours to deny a clamorous heresy attributed to the Pope: it beggars belief, a thing that would merit the firing en bloc of all those responsible for Vatican communications.

And then there’s the content of the denial, which is absolutely inadequate seeing the gravity of the matter. They don’t say that Scalfari invented everything, as someone hastened to write. The statements are very prudent indeed, not to mention ambiguous:

1.They say that the meeting with the Pope and Scalfari did take place but was not conceived as an interview. Of course, but apart from the first time, all of Scalfari’s meetings with Francis were private conversations that promptly ended up on the pages of La Repubblica. One could then take it for granted that also this time it was the same.

2. What was written in La Repubblica, according to the Press Office, is not invented but a “reconstruction” but simply “they are not the exact words of the Pope” . ‘If Italian is not a matter of  opinion’ it means nonetheless that the subject was discussed and something of that sort was said - in any case, it is specified that the words were not faithfully transcribed.

3.We should remember that on the previous occasions when the Press Office had to intervene to contradict Scalfari’s articles, the then spokesman Father Lombardi had specified that the transcript was not faithful, but that it reported “the sense and spirit of the conversation”.

Not only, it is not even the first time Scalfari attributes the Pope with this notion on Hell.

On October 9th  of last year ,in fact, he wrote: “Pope Francis – I repeat – has abolished the places of eternal residence in the Afterlife of souls. The thesis he sustains is that souls dominated by evil and not repentant cease to exist while those who have been redeemed from evil will be taken up to bliss and contemplation of God.”

Translation: contibutor Francesca Romana


TOPICS: Apologetics; Catholic; Theology
KEYWORDS: francischurch; hell; heresy

1 posted on 03/31/2018 5:44:15 PM PDT by ebb tide
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This is a Catholic caucus thread.

Please respect the caucus.

2 posted on 03/31/2018 5:53:58 PM PDT by ebb tide
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To: ThePatriotsFlag

This is a catholic caucus thread; please stay off it.


4 posted on 03/31/2018 6:03:56 PM PDT by ebb tide
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To: ThePatriotsFlag

What part of Catholic Caucus do you not understand?


5 posted on 03/31/2018 6:05:34 PM PDT by miss marmelstein
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To: ebb tide

I’ll say it has to end.

Let’s have a recount.


6 posted on 03/31/2018 6:06:16 PM PDT by miss marmelstein
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To: ebb tide

The little p pope says there is no hell but yet emphatically declares man-made global warming a fact. He defends muslimbs in Syria while remaining silent about persecuted Christians in the same country.

He will never destroy the big C Church but most certainly will destroy the Vatican.


7 posted on 03/31/2018 7:34:04 PM PDT by Flavious_Maximus
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To: ebb tide

Lies again from Communications Office! The pope has described this annihilation theory before, twice! Clearly he believes it irrespective of Scalfari. Clearly he wants to bring attention and discussion to the absence of hell. He has Vatican officials before to promote weird ideas in an unexpected manner. I bet he’s just having a jolly laugh at 2 days of dangling the world on a string.


8 posted on 03/31/2018 11:25:58 PM PDT by Marchmain (Happy Easter)
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To: ebb tide

The author of this piece needs to stop calling him “pope”. As long as he continues to call him “pope” he makes a mockery of the papacy and serves only to help nurture the farce.


9 posted on 04/01/2018 5:45:39 AM PDT by piusv (Pray for a return to the pre-Vatican II (Catholic) Faith)
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To: ebb tide

I am a Catholic you idiot ... came over from the Episcopal church, and I’ve told you this BEFORE!!! So get off my case. What you really want is for someone NOT TO POST anything negative about this “pope”.


10 posted on 04/01/2018 8:41:24 AM PDT by ThePatriotsFlag (We are getting even more than we voted for.)
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To: ThePatriotsFlag; ebb tide
What you really want is for someone NOT TO POST anything negative about this “pope”.

If you can say this, then you aren't familiar with ebb's posts. Ebb has no problem with negative posts about this "pope".

11 posted on 04/01/2018 3:30:03 PM PDT by piusv (Pray for a return to the pre-Vatican II (Catholic) Faith)
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To: piusv

Thanks piusv. Wishing you a Blessed Easter.


12 posted on 04/01/2018 6:57:45 PM PDT by ebb tide
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To: ebb tide

Same to you ebb.


13 posted on 04/02/2018 1:50:28 PM PDT by piusv (Pray for a return to the pre-Vatican II (Catholic) Faith)
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