Which issues? And Christ speaks of a good deal more than love.. He speaks very clearly of hell and how to avoid it. He teaches us how to pray and how to live. He condemns sin and hypocrisy in strong terms. He speaks of faith and unbelief. He comforts the afflicted and afflicts the comfortable. He teaches He is the only Way to the Father and warns of false shepherds. I doubt the moneychangers He purged from the temple would tell you He speaks of love and nothing else.....

41 posted on 03/14/2018 10:52:20 PM PDT by Mom MD ( .)

Your enumeration made my subtle point, actually. Thanks.

42 posted on 03/14/2018 10:54:52 PM PDT by MrChips (Ad sapientiam pertinet aeternarum rerum cognitio intellectualis - St. Augustine)

Ah, sarcasm. Such a hard thing to detect on the Intarwebs.

43 posted on 03/14/2018 10:55:50 PM PDT by Luircin

It must be very disconcerting that an institution you have trusted is visibly failing you.

The Eucharist never fails, and right now tens/hundreds of thousands of Catholics, who well understand the strength of same, are heading to (or are already at) daily Mass.

"It is easier for the earth to exist without the sun than without the holy mass." ~Padre Pio

44 posted on 03/15/2018 4:46:59 AM PDT by mlizzy (America needs no words from me to see how your decision in Roe/Wade has deformed a great nation. -MT)

What happens if an unrepentant sinner partakes in the Eucharist?

Because that’s what the Catholic leadership is teaching their congregants. To sin without repentance.

45 posted on 03/15/2018 7:11:53 AM PDT by Luircin

Cardinal Kasper: Homosexual unions are ‘analogous’ to Christian marriage

Cardinal Kasper; the Book your organization put together so many centuries ago says:

Woe to those who call evil good and good evil.

46 posted on 03/15/2018 7:41:03 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)

Does this poltroon ever read the Bible, the book he supposedly represents?

Let me post a few verses from that Book:

A BIBLICAL Message to LGBT folks EVERYWHERE!

Genesis 13:13

Now the men of Sodom were wicked and were sinning greatly against the LORD.

Genesis 18:20-21
20. Then the LORD said, "The outcry against Sodom and Gomorrah is so great and their sin so grievous
21. that I will go down and see if what they have done is as bad as the outcry that has reached me. If not, I will know."
Genesis 19:4-7
4. Before they had gone to bed, all the men from every part of the city of Sodom--both young and old--surrounded the house.
5. They called to Lot, "Where are the men who came to you tonight? Bring them out to us so that we can have sex with them."
6. Lot went outside to meet them and shut the door behind him
7. and said, "No, my friends. Don't do this wicked thing.
Leviticus niv
18:22 Do not have sexual relations with a man as one does with a woman; that is detestable.
20:13 If a man has sexual relations with a man as one does with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They are to be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads.

Psalms 12:8 The wicked freely strut about when what is vile is honored among men.

Isaiah 3:9 The look on their faces testifies against them; they parade their sin like Sodom; they do not hide it. Woe to them! They have brought disaster upon themselves.
2 Peter 2:13b Their idea of pleasure is to carouse in broad daylight. They are blots and blemishes, reveling in their pleasures while they feast with you.

Ezekiel 16:49-50
49. "`Now this was the sin of your sister Sodom: She and her daughters were arrogant, overfed and unconcerned; they did not help the poor and needy.
50. They were haughty and did detestable things before me. Therefore I did away with them as you have seen.

Romans 1 New American Bible (Revised Edition) (NABRE)

18 The wrath of God is indeed being revealed from heaven against every impiety and wickedness of those who suppress the truth by their wickedness. 19 For what can be known about God is evident to them, because God made it evident to them. 20 Ever since the creation of the world, his invisible attributes of eternal power and divinity have been able to be understood and perceived in what he has made. As a result, they have no excuse; 21 for although they knew God they did not accord him glory as God or give him thanks. Instead, they became vain in their reasoning, and their senseless minds were darkened. 22 While claiming to be wise, they became fools 23 and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for the likeness of an image of mortal man or of birds or of four-legged animals or of snakes.

24 Therefore, God handed them over to impurity through the lusts of their hearts for the mutual degradation of their bodies. 25 They exchanged the truth of God for a lie and revered and worshiped the creature rather than the creator, who is blessed forever. Amen. 26 Therefore, God handed them over to degrading passions. Their females exchanged natural relations for unnatural, 27 and the males likewise gave up natural relations with females and burned with lust for one another. Males did shameful things with males and thus received in their own persons the due penalty for their perversity. 28 And since they did not see fit to acknowledge God, God handed them over to their undiscerning mind to do what is improper. 29 They are filled with every form of wickedness, evil, greed, and malice; full of envy, murder, rivalry, treachery, and spite.

2 Peter 2

1. But there were also false prophets among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you. They will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the sovereign Lord who bought them--bringing swift destruction on themselves.
2. Many will follow their shameful ways and will bring the way of truth into disrepute.
3. In their greed these teachers will exploit you with stories they have made up. Their condemnation has long been hanging over them, and their destruction has not been sleeping.
4. For if God did not spare angels when they sinned, but sent them to hell, putting them into gloomy dungeons to be held for judgment;
5. if he did not spare the ancient world when he brought the flood on its ungodly people, but protected Noah, a preacher of righteousness, and seven others;
6. if he condemned the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah by burning them to ashes, and made them an example of what is going to happen to the ungodly;
7. and if he rescued Lot, a righteous man, who was distressed by the filthy lives of lawless men
8. (for that righteous man, living among them day after day, was tormented in his righteous soul by the lawless deeds he saw and heard)--
9. if this is so, then the Lord knows how to rescue godly men from trials and to hold the unrighteous for the day of judgment, while continuing their punishment.
10. This is especially true of those who follow the corrupt desire of the sinful nature and despise authority. Bold and arrogant, these men are not afraid to slander celestial beings;
11. yet even angels, although they are stronger and more powerful, do not bring slanderous accusations against such beings in the presence of the Lord.
12. But these men blaspheme in matters they do not understand. They are like brute beasts, creatures of instinct, born only to be caught and destroyed, and like beasts they too will perish.
13. They will be paid back with harm for the harm they have done. Their idea of pleasure is to carouse in broad daylight. They are blots and blemishes, reveling in their pleasures while they feast with you.

But there IS hope!!!

1 Corinthians 6:9-11
9. Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived:
Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders
10. nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.
11. And that is what some of you were. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God.

If you could NOT change, you would be in most pitiful shape...

The Health Risks of gay sex.

47 posted on 03/15/2018 7:42:34 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)

I guess those fellas (and girls) mentioned above would have been ok if they'd just gotten married to each other!

48 posted on 03/15/2018 7:43:24 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)

they got in bed with the politicos and...

I see what you did here!

49 posted on 03/15/2018 7:45:46 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)

He speaks of love, and nothing else.

WHAT???

Matthew 23

1. Then Jesus said to the crowds and to his disciples:
2. "The teachers of the law and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat.
3. So you must obey them and do everything they tell you. But do not do what they do, for they do not practice what they preach.
4. They tie up heavy loads and put them on men's shoulders, but they themselves are not willing to lift a finger to move them.
5. "Everything they do is done for men to see: They make their phylacteries wide and the tassels on their garments long;
6. they love the place of honor at banquets and the most important seats in the synagogues;
7. they love to be greeted in the marketplaces and to have men call them `Rabbi.'
8. "But you are not to be called `Rabbi,' for you have only one Master and you are all brothers.
9. And do not call anyone on earth `father,' for you have one Father, and he is in heaven.
10. Nor are you to be called `teacher,' for you have one Teacher, the Christ.
11. The greatest among you will be your servant.
12. For whoever exalts himself will be humbled, and whoever humbles himself will be exalted.
13. "Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You shut the kingdom of heaven in men's faces. You yourselves do not enter, nor will you let those enter who are trying to.
14. Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye devour widows' houses, and for a pretence make long prayer: therefore ye shall receive the greater damnation.
15. "Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You travel over land and sea to win a single convert, and when he becomes one, you make him twice as much a son of hell as you are.
16. "Woe to you, blind guides! You say, `If anyone swears by the temple, it means nothing; but if anyone swears by the gold of the temple, he is bound by his oath.'
17. You blind fools! Which is greater: the gold, or the temple that makes the gold sacred?
18. You also say, `If anyone swears by the altar, it means nothing; but if anyone swears by the gift on it, he is bound by his oath.'
19. You blind men! Which is greater: the gift, or the altar that makes the gift sacred?
20. Therefore, he who swears by the altar swears by it and by everything on it.
21. And he who swears by the temple swears by it and by the one who dwells in it.
22. And he who swears by heaven swears by God's throne and by the one who sits on it.
23. "Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You give a tenth of your spices--mint, dill and cummin. But you have neglected the more important matters of the law--justice, mercy and faithfulness. You should have practiced the latter, without neglecting the former.
24. You blind guides! You strain out a gnat but swallow a camel.
25. "Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You clean the outside of the cup and dish, but inside they are full of greed and self-indulgence.
26. Blind Pharisee! First clean the inside of the cup and dish, and then the outside also will be clean.
27. "Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You are like whitewashed tombs, which look beautiful on the outside but on the inside are full of dead men's bones and everything unclean.
28. In the same way, on the outside you appear to people as righteous but on the inside you are full of hypocrisy and wickedness.
29. "Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You build tombs for the prophets and decorate the graves of the righteous.
30. And you say, `If we had lived in the days of our forefathers, we would not have taken part with them in shedding the blood of the prophets.'
31. So you testify against yourselves that you are the descendants of those who murdered the prophets.
32. Fill up, then, the measure of the sin of your forefathers!
33. "You snakes! You brood of vipers! How will you escape being condemned to hell?
34. Therefore I am sending you prophets and wise men and teachers. Some of them you will kill and crucify; others you will flog in your synagogues and pursue from town to town.
35. And so upon you will come all the righteous blood that has been shed on earth, from the blood of righteous Abel to the blood of Zechariah son of Berekiah, whom you murdered between the temple and the altar.
36. I tell you the truth, all this will come upon this generation.
37. "O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, you who kill the prophets and stone those sent to you, how often I have longed to gather your children together, as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, but you were not willing.
38. Look, your house is left to you desolate.
39. For I tell you, you will not see me again until you say, `Blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord.' "

50 posted on 03/15/2018 7:47:53 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)

Matthew 10:15 NIV
Truly I tell you, it will be more bearable for Sodom and Gomorrah on the day of judgment than for that town.

Matthew 11:24 NIV
But I tell you that it will be more bearable for Sodom on the day of judgment than for you.

Jesus was on to something here....

51 posted on 03/15/2018 7:51:06 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)

That’s why emoticons were invented.

52 posted on 03/15/2018 7:52:13 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)

You are actually making the opposite point, but no matter.

53 posted on 03/15/2018 8:11:24 AM PDT by MrChips (Ad sapientiam pertinet aeternarum rerum cognitio intellectualis - St. Augustine)

What happens if an unrepentant sinner partakes in the Eucharist?

Because that’s what the Catholic leadership is teaching their congregants. To sin without repentance.

I don't believe those partaking in the Eucharist who are unrepentant (of mortal sin), are necessarily the Catholics who were thriving in their faith to begin with.

And God will take care of the leadership in His own time. But Catholics might pray [often] for same to happen quickly!

And, of course, there still is outstanding leadership within the Church; it would be tough to find, for instance, a weak priest celebrating the Traditional Latin Mass.

54 posted on 03/15/2018 8:35:27 AM PDT by mlizzy (America needs no words from me to see how your decision in Roe/Wade has deformed a great nation. -MT)

And at one time I was going to swim back across the Tiber.

55 posted on 03/15/2018 8:37:50 AM PDT by RinaseaofDs

How many of these priests you speak of will accept excommunication when they’re ordered to endorse sodomy or else?

56 posted on 03/15/2018 9:29:24 AM PDT by Luircin

How many of these priests you speak of will accept excommunication when they’re ordered to endorse sodomy or else?

The TLM priests we know of will not accept/endorse sodomy. They will go underground if necessary.

57 posted on 03/15/2018 10:01:27 AM PDT by mlizzy (America needs no words from me to see how your decision in Roe/Wade has deformed a great nation. -MT)

Please click on my name at the bottom of this reply and review the guidelines of the Religion Forum.

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Either provide a translation for your tag line or remove it when posting in this forum.

Thank you.

58 posted on 03/15/2018 10:07:38 AM PDT by Religion Moderator

This won’t end well.

It always goes badly when we redefine His Laws in our own image.

From the first parents in the Garden on, the Bible is full of examples of this sort of thing followed by the consequences.

Romans 1:18-32 outlines this three step process as:

1. Willful Self-determination
2. Wicked Self-deception
3. Woeful Self-destruction

One must stay in calibration and in tune with the Source.
Life just goes better that way, even when things go bad.

59 posted on 03/15/2018 10:14:01 AM PDT by GBA (A = 432)

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