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Cdl. Burke: Muslims and Christians Worship Different Gods
Church Militant ^ | January 10, 2018 | Bradley Eli

Posted on 01/10/2018 5:01:46 PM PST by ebb tide

As ex-Muslim converts to Catholicism warn the Holy Father on the inherent dangers of Islam, it's notable that Cdl. Raymond Burke has been warning Catholics that Muslims' Allah is not the Prince of Peace heralded in Isaiah 9:6.

In their sobering letter to Pope Francis, the former Muslims quoted the Quran: ‬

For the Qur'an, ‬Christians "‬are only impurity" (‬Qur'an ‬9.28)‬," "‬the worst of Creation" (‬Qur'an ‬98.6)‬, ‬all condemned to Hell (‬Qur'an ‬4.48)‬, ‬so Allah must exterminate them (‬Quran ‬9.30)‬. They added, "We must not be deceived by the Quranic verses deemed tolerant, ‬because they have all been repealed by the verse of the Sword (‬Quran ‬9.5)‬.

Cardinal Burke, former head the Vatican's Highest Court, during an interview in August 2016, said he thinks Catholics and Muslims aren't worshiping the same God:

I don't believe it's true that we're all worshipping the same God because the God of Islam is a governor. In other words, fundamentally Islam is, Sharia is their law, and that law, which comes from Allah, must dominate every man eventually. And it's not a law that's founded on love.

Some Catholics believe the Church teaches Muslims and Catholics do, in fact, worship the same God. They cite paragraph 841 of the Catechism of the Catholic Church, which reads, "The plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the Creator, in the first place amongst whom are the Muslims; these profess to hold the faith of Abraham, and together with us they adore the one, merciful God, mankind's judge on the last day."

Robert Spencer, director of Jihad Watch, points out this phrase is simply saying that Muslims are monotheistic. Monotheism doesn't count for much according to St. James, who in 2:19 of his epistle says, "You believe that there is one God. You do well. The devils also believe and tremble."

Spencer further notes that the Catechism isn't saying that individual Muslims do indeed worship the God of Abraham, but rather that they "profess to hold to the faith of Abraham." In chapter eight of John's Gospel, Our Lord contradicted certain "Jews" who professed to be "children of Abraham." This lively exchange is recorded in John 8:39–44:

They answered and said to him, "Abraham is our father." Jesus said to them, "If you are the children of Abraham, do the works of Abraham. But as it is, you are seeking to kill me, one who has spoken the truth to you which I have heard from God. That is not what Abraham did. You are doing the works of your father. ... If God were your Father, you would surely love me. For from God I came forth ... The father from whom you are is the devil, and the desires of your father it is your will to do.  He was a murderer from the beginning.

During an interview in October of that same year, the cardinal again addressed the dangers of Islam. He said one reason for people's misunderstanding of Islam is owing to their mistaken notion that we Christians and Muslims believe in the same God. "Many people do not understand what Islam really is," he said. "They create these slogans: We all believe in the same God, that we are all united by love and so on. It's not true."

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In yet another interview in July 2016, Cdl. Burke was critical of prelates who "simply think that Islam is a religion like the Catholic faith or the Jewish faith." On the contrary, he stressed, "That simply is not objectively the case."

Speaking of "little Muslim states" that are currently "no-go zones" for authorities in France, Burke warned, "These things aren't anomalies for Islam. This is the way things are to go. ... If you do understand that and you are not at peace with the idea of being forcibly under an Islamic government, then you have reason to be afraid."

A Pew Research poll conducted in 2015 proves the veracity of the cardinal's words. It found that 60 million Muslims in predominantly Muslim countries actually support the notorious terrorist group ISIS. Even more worrisome is that 250 million Muslims in these countries, when asked if they support ISIS, said they were "undecided."

Watch the panel discuss the inherent danger of the so-called religion of peace in The Download—Blinders on Islam.
 


TOPICS: Apologetics; Catholic; Islam
KEYWORDS: francischurch; lumengentium; moslems; vcii
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1 posted on 01/10/2018 5:01:47 PM PST by ebb tide
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To: ebb tide

Muslims worship Satan.


2 posted on 01/10/2018 5:04:29 PM PST by BenLurkin (The above is not a statement of fact. It is either satire or opinion. Or both.)
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To: ebb tide

Amen


3 posted on 01/10/2018 5:04:59 PM PST by Leep (The dims better watch it..Trump is CRAZY!!)
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To: ebb tide
That they worship the same God is a Muslim religious doctrine.

That is where the libs are getting that from, even if they are not aware of it.

4 posted on 01/10/2018 5:10:42 PM PST by Salman (I don't do Facebook, and neither should you.)
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To: ebb tide

By their fruits Ye shall know them. Alluh is definitely of the dark side.


5 posted on 01/10/2018 5:12:25 PM PST by faithhopecharity (“Politicians aren’t born, they’re excreted.” -Marcus Tillius Cicero (3 BCE))
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To: BenLurkin

If we assume that allah is, in fact, real, it is definately satan.

I don’t believe that Mad Mo, even had a “god” besides himself. His book and the “revelations” therein were simply a scam to give him license to indulge his perversions.


6 posted on 01/10/2018 5:14:09 PM PST by Ouderkirk (Life is about ass, you're either covering, hauling, laughing, kicking, kissing, or behaving like one)
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To: ebb tide

And in other news, the sky is blue & the sun rises in the east.

The God I worship is a God of love. Muslims worship a demon posing as a deity who commands them to kill.


7 posted on 01/10/2018 5:33:42 PM PST by elcid1970 ("The Second Amendment is more important than Islam.")
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To: ebb tide

My preference when using any reference to Pope Francis as pontiff is Payaso desviado . When the theocratic assertions moslem’s claim are mono theistic commands gets a well intentional embrace not condemnation from him ,A prayer to St Michael is in order.


8 posted on 01/10/2018 5:40:54 PM PST by mosesdapoet (Mosesdapoet aka L.J.Keslin)
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To: ebb tide

I cannot imagine the God of the Gospels being pleased by acts of mass murder being commited in His name or Him rewarding its perpetrators with 72 virgins rather than casting them to hell fire.


9 posted on 01/10/2018 6:04:03 PM PST by The Great RJ ("Socialists are happy until they run out of other people's money." Margaret Thatcherhttp://www.stone)
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To: ebb tide

Christians worship a God who loves them so much that he gave up his son to sacrifice him as a payment for our sin.
Muslims worship a hateful and vengeful god who instructs them to kill everyone who does not worship him.
How can anyone say this is “the same god?”


10 posted on 01/10/2018 6:07:28 PM PST by txrefugee
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To: ebb tide

Polite reminder that Christians whose first language is Arabic do in fact pray to Allah, by which they mean the God of Abraham and the Father of Jesus.

Allah means God in Arabic, in the same sense that Dios means God in Spanish and Deus means God in Latin.

Do not confuse the name with the Being, and do not allow those who profit from the confusion to prosper.

https://christiananswers.net/q-eden/allah.html


11 posted on 01/10/2018 6:13:43 PM PST by thediesel
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To: thediesel
No one is talking about Christian Arabs.

Both Lumen Gentium and JP II's catechism specify "muslims".

And I challenge you to ask any muslim if he worships the same "allah" that Christians worship.

It's embarrassing to see the Catholic Church telling muslims that which they don't believe themselves.

12 posted on 01/10/2018 6:31:50 PM PST by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome.)
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To: ebb tide

This is very confusing, but I can’t imagine the god of the Bible, Yahweh, Jehovah, ordering his followers to kill Christians and Jews.


13 posted on 01/10/2018 6:58:25 PM PST by JudyinCanada
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To: Ouderkirk

Good post.


14 posted on 01/10/2018 7:11:56 PM PST by GGpaX4DumpedTea ((I am a Tea Party descendant...steeped in the Constitutional Republic given to us by the Founders))
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To: ebb tide
Some Catholics believe the Church teaches Muslims and Catholics do, in fact, worship the same God. They cite paragraph 841 of the Catechism of the Catholic Church, which reads, "The plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the Creator, in the first place amongst whom are the Muslims; these profess to hold the faith of Abraham, and together with us they adore the one, merciful God, mankind's judge on the last day."

Robert Spencer, director of Jihad Watch, points out this phrase is simply saying that Muslims are monotheistic.

No, it clearly states that "together with us they adore the one merciful God". If it were merely stating that Muslims were monotheistic but that the one god they adore is not the one, merciful God, then it wouldn't say "together with us".

This teaching is completely in line with the new religion of Vatican II: ecumenism. The JPII Catechism specifically references the Vatican II documents, Nostra Aetate and Lumen Gentium.

15 posted on 01/11/2018 2:35:23 AM PST by piusv (Pray for a return to the pre-Vatican II (Catholic) Faith)
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To: ebb tide
The verses which definitely states that Muslims (and Jews) do not worship God is 1 John 2:22,23.
22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son. 23 Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: (but) he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also.

They don't have the Son or the Father.

Here's another. Nor should we wish them "god speed" (χαίρειν):

9 Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son. 10 If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed: 11 For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds.

The simplest realization is this: Jesus Christ is God. Do Muslims (and Jews) worship Jesus? No.

16 posted on 01/11/2018 5:48:28 AM PST by nonsporting
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To: BenLurkin

The quran states that allah is “the great deceiver”. The bible states that satan is “the great deceiver”. Therefore allah is satan. Pretty easy to understand.


17 posted on 01/11/2018 6:12:03 AM PST by BubbaBasher ("Liberty will not long survive the total extinction of morals" - Sam Adams)
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To: faithhopecharity
Alluh is definitely of the dark side.

Yup, the dark side of the Moon!

18 posted on 01/12/2018 5:55:19 PM PST by GGpaX4DumpedTea ((I am a Tea Party descendant...steeped in the Constitutional Republic given to us by the Founders))
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To: piusv

When liberals can see what “conservatives” cannot

19 posted on 01/12/2018 8:52:53 PM PST by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome.)
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To: thediesel

Allah does not mean “god”; it is a proper name of an old Arab pagan moon god, who had a female counterpart named Allat. The name is not cognate with Hebrew “Eloah”. Those who claim that it is a contraction of Arabic “al-ilah” are not telling the truth.

None of the characteristics of Mahomet’s Allah match that of the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. For one of the most explicit examples, Allah explicitly states in several Koranic verses that he has not “taken unto himself a son” (e.g. Surah 2:116, 10:68, 19:35). Surah 11:42 claims that Noah lost one of his (unnamed) sons to the Great Flood, while the Bible says that God saved Noah’s entire family. This can go on and on.


20 posted on 01/12/2018 10:06:50 PM PST by Olog-hai ("No Republican, no matter how liberal, is going to woo a Democratic vote." -- Ronald Reagan, 1960)
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